April 29, 2003

Notes: Robert Barro Quotes

Robert Waldmann recalls a quote from 1988 by Robert Barro, in response to some leftist student claiming that there was a second-best argument for some scorned-by-Barro policy:

Isn't there an existence theorem proving that there is a second best argument for any policy?

Posted by DeLong at April 29, 2003 01:34 PM | TrackBack

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What's the theorem?

Posted by: Bobby on April 29, 2003 04:59 PM

It's an implication of the theorem of the second best. If there is a sufficiently large distortion elsewhere in your model, then any given policy could improve matters no matter how perverse. Philosophers will note that this argument basically goes through on the logic of the word "sufficiently"; but the argument can be formalised.

Posted by: dsquared on April 29, 2003 11:01 PM

Oh but is there always an argument second best for any policy? What if there is an argunment that shows the policy to be third best sometimes fourth best sometimes, fith sometimes, etc. but never second?

Posted by: Bobby on April 29, 2003 11:34 PM

Nah. Remember that when you're creating existence theorems, you get to "draw your targets round the bulletholes". The theorem would be of the form "For any policy P, there is some set of economic distortions D such that P is the optimal policy". That would be an existence theorem for a second-best argument for any policy. I increasingly doubt that it could be formalised because "policy" is too loose a concept, but something like it could.

Posted by: dsquared on April 30, 2003 03:03 AM

Isn't there a corollary to the effect that a move towards an optimal solution from a second best condition may make things worse?

Posted by: richard on April 30, 2003 10:28 AM

Always love your comments guys, always look forward to them.

Leftist to Robert Barro and like is any decent minded person about. We were and are about these "compassionates" and find them cold-hearted boors, clever, but cold-hearted boors. Perfect for the "compassionates" in the Administration. Yuch. Leftist student, indeed. How about radical right Robert?

Posted by: lise on April 30, 2003 10:34 AM

Brad Brad Brad

What kind of "ist" is Bobby Barro, or Bobby Feldstein, or Glenny Hubbarb? The radical right has labels enough for all with whom they disagree. We too is from the community and do not find the dears so impressive.... Ah, they is the real "ists." Duh.

Posted by: jd on April 30, 2003 11:09 AM

Bobby

Please please be very proud of what you have done with the PKarchive. The archive is simply wonderful and we could not be more grateful to you. PK and you are wonderful, the critics are fearful loons.

Posted by: anne on April 30, 2003 01:26 PM

I'm not sure where Robert Barro's quote leaves us. Sure, it is a nice and dismissive turn of phrase, but it sounds like he is really saying this:

"once you leave efficiency and the competitive market, anything might happen, so let's keep thinking as if everything is an efficient competitive market".

If so, isn't that convenient for his worldview?

Posted by: Tom Slee on April 30, 2003 03:40 PM

Thanks Anne :)

Posted by: Bobby on April 30, 2003 05:19 PM

I don't have enough brain to wrap around this. Does this mean: given a defined set of criteria C on which a judgement is made concerning a set of arguments A, (A1,A2,A3, etc.), that when applied to policy P, when the economy is in condition E, it can be detemined that A1 is better than A2 is better than A3 is better than ... Ax?

My brain hurts. There should be a warning to non-economist who visit your site Brad.

Posted by: LowLife on May 1, 2003 06:24 AM

Heres a better principle...for any policy decision there are any number of other policy paths that are as plausible but more fair than anything these idiots currently in the white house can come up with. its called the principle of pluralism.

Posted by: wing on May 2, 2003 01:35 AM

Heres a better principle...for any policy decision there are any number of other policy paths that are as plausible but more fair than anything these idiots currently in the white house can come up with. its called the principle of pluralism.

Posted by: wing on May 2, 2003 01:37 AM

Barro is a ideological crank, not better than the average National Review economic writer, only better trained.

Posted by: economistaBrasileiro on May 2, 2003 09:58 AM
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