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"I got a job with Harry White and Frank Coe, two people who later had career troubles...."

Well, yes. Treason can do that.

How easily the neo-McCarthyites throw around the label, "treason," in this post Coulterian era. If you are going to make these allegations, Patrick, you ought at least feel constrained to prove them.

White was accused of being a Soviet agent, and committed suicide--but the accusation was never proven, even after intercepts of Soviet communications and KGB records became available. See, for example, http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2000/wp00149.pdf

Coe was a communist, and provided information to Soviet agents--but Soviet sources suggest he thought he was working for the American communist party rather than the Soviets, which would make him a leaker but not a traitor. See, for example, http://homepages.nyu.edu/~th15/venona3.html

Of course, for a certain portion of the right, the fact that these two guys were involved in the founding of radical leftist institutions like the IMF, the WTO, and the World Bank is itself conclusive proof . . .

Kindleberger liked Harry Dexter White (most of the time), and never saw the Venona Intercepts, so "career troubles" seems a reasonable thing for him to say.

I have seen the Venona Intercepts, and I think Patrick Sullivan is probably right: 60% chance that Harry Dexter White knowingly passed confidential information to the NKVD, 30% chance that White thought what he was doing was simply "aiding an ally" and that the NKVD agents oversold his cooperation with them to their superiors, 10% chance something even weirder was going on...

Yeah, what's all the evidence got to do with it? Whittaker Chambers knew him to be a source of documents (and had one from White to turn over during the Hiss trial), Elizabeth Bentley knew him to be similarly a source.

The Venona cables showed him to be such a high priority source, the Soviet Union offered him money to pay his daughters tuition at a private college when he told them he would have to quit his government job.

And, since the CPUSA was working under orders from the Soviet Union, Frank Coe was a traitor even under your ridiculous hair-splitting. BTW, in 1958 he moved to China and lived the rest of his life there.

there's no way that p. sullivan is in any increment right
when he froths of one not present to answer -traitor.
shame on you for parading responsive subtle analysis but
still leaving this streetfighter's frightening banner -"treason"!-
undisturbed.

Just Daniel Patrick Moynihan and I?

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/gergen/november98/gergen_11-26.html

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SEN. DANIEL PATRICK MOYNIHAN: [Author, "Secrecy:"] Well, yes. .... In the 40s, the Second World War, we had a lot of spying on all sides. The Soviets began to spy in this country, and in 1943, the army signals began to copy their traffic out of New York and Washington, which was coded, and they started trying to break it. And here's a nice story. They took over a girls' school called Arlington Hall about a mile from here.

DAVID GERGEN: Right.

SEN. DANIEL PATRICK MOYNIHAN: And a bunch of women, a few men, a brilliant crypt analyst, Gardner Meredith, finally in December 1946 broke the first cable - they're one time pads - you can't break them but they got overworked or casual and used them several times. He did it. There were the names of all the atomic spies - I'm sorry - all the atomic physicists at Los Alamos. And standing over his shoulder and giving him cups of coffee and sharpened pencils was a corporal in the army, cipher clerk named Weisband, who was a KGB agent. So right away the Soviets learned that we had broken their code, and they changed it. We worked on this Venona Project, as it was called, for - right up until 1980, by 1950, had most of the material. We knew about Alger Hiss. We knew about the other agents. As George Kennan has said, the Soviet activity was not - not tremendous but it wasn't trivial. But the most important fact is no one ever told the President.

DAVID GERGEN: About Alger Hiss. And the fact that we knew these things about Soviet spies in our midst.

SEN.DANIEL PATRICK MOYNIHAN: Right. He thought Whitaker Chambers was a nut. No one ever told him Whitaker Chambers was telling the truth.

DAVID GERGEN: If the United States Government had disclosed to its own president the secrets that it uncovered, how different would the McCarthy period have been?

SEN. DANIEL PATRICK MOYNIHAN: It could have been hugely different. The cultural divide that took place, the attack on liberalism and the defense from too many liberals, not all, of the charge - most - who was making it - now what did McCarthy know about this? He didn't know anything, but that didn't mean there wasn't a Soviet conspiracy in the State Department. Harry Dexter White was a Soviet agent, Treasury Department.
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patrick
daniel patrick so very tailored, so very mannered,
did not on your showing enter the province of judge and jury to declare anyone a traitor. like
coulter you're too close to spiked gloves with
the easy toss of "treason".
eugene murphy

Actually Moynihan (whether he's "so very tailored, so very mannered" is irrelevant) is understating it. Soviet spying was well under way in the thirties. The evidence is indisputable.