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This is terrible. I thought perhaps in the early interviews Schwarzenegger might really have been trying to be outrageous. Not pleasant but perhaps I should not be angry, though there was never a decent explanation from Schwarzenegger. These very recent remarks by Schwarzenegger are however not to be excused in any way. The remarks are terrible and show a disdain for women no matter what is happening or not happening at home. Schwarzenegger is intolerable as a candidate for Governor.

Aren't we being slightly lacking in a sense of humor here? If this is the best you can throw at the guy, he eminently deserves to win.

"These very recent remarks by Schwarzenegger are however not to be excused in any way. The remarks are terrible and show a disdain for women no matter what is happening or not happening at home. Schwarzenegger is intolerable as a candidate for Governor."

Give me a break! Stop hyperventilating, why don't ya? First we had the "Arnold is a homophobe" nonsense, and now this?

I'd be hyperventilating too if someone stuck me head first down a toilet...

Abiola - Typical radical right wing meanness to women. Typical Abiola and typical Schwarzenegger.

"Abiola - Typical radical right wing meanness to women. Typical Abiola and typical Schwarzenegger."

Yup, you got me nailed right there. I'm a mean, scary KKKonservative who eats babies for breakfast! I stay up light at night rubbing my hands with glee as I contemplate the thought of all those wimmin, homos, colored types, Christ-killers and furriners being shoved back into their rightful places! Bad conservative, bad!

OK abiola, let's try Arnies statement through some experiments:

"How many times do you get away with this -- to take an economist, grab him/her upside down, and bury his/her face in a toilet bowl?...

"How many times do you get away with this -- to take an african, grab him/her upside down, and bury his/her face in a toilet bowl?...

"How many times do you get away with this -- to take a jew, grab him/her upside down, and bury his/her face in a toilet bowl?...

"How many times do you get away with this -- to take a white man, grab him upside down, and bury his face in a toilet bowl?...

Sorry Abiola, Sorry Arnie, I clearly feel that this quote fails the tolerance test. If you disagree - which I really hope you don't - I might just try some experiments of this kind until the webmaster is forced to pull my comments. Or worse, until I'm governor of some american state...

I've heard rumors that there's a toilet dunking scene in Gibson's "Passion". Should have you liberals jumping up and down like monkeys.

"How many times do you get away with this -- to take a hack, grab him upside down, and bury his face in a toilet bowl?...

It is inconceivable that a Democratic candidate for Governor would find such hateful comments dismissed. Rather the candidate would be dismissed. Arnold Schwarzenegger is an "intolerable" candidate. Family values indeed!

The comments about women were made THIS JULY!

look at it from the bright side dahl:
"How many times do you get away with this -- to take a GOP Candidate for Governor, grab him upside down, and bury his face in a toilet bowl?...

I believe the bizarre offensive remark by Bill Staleton should be folled by reading this essay:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/21/arts/21RICH.html

The Greatest Story Ever Sold
By Frank Rich

When Gibson expressed his feelings about Rich. "I want to kill him," he said. "I want his intestines on a stick. . . . I want to kill his dog." — The New Yorker, Sept. 15

PETA members may be relieved to learn that I do not have a dog.

As for the rest of Mel Gibson's threats, context is all: the guy is a movie star. Movie stars expect to get their own way. They are surrounded by sycophants, many of them on the payroll. Should a discouraging word somehow prick the bubble of fabulousness in which they travel, even big-screen he-men can turn into crybabies. Mr. Gibson's tirade sounded less like a fatwa from the Ayatollah Khomeini than a tantrum from Sinatra in his cups.

My capital crime was to write a column on this page last month reporting that Mr. Gibson was promoting his coming film about the crucifixion, "The Passion," by baiting Jews. As indeed he has. In January, the star had gone on "The O'Reilly Factor" to counter Jewish criticism of his cinematic account of Jesus's final hours — a provocative opening volley given that no critic of any faith had yet said anything about his movie (and wouldn't for another three months). Clearly he was looking for a brawl, and he hasn't let up since. In the New Yorker profile, Mr. Gibson says that "modern secular Judaism wants to blame the Holocaust on the Catholic Church," a charge that Abraham H. Foxman, of the Anti-Defamation League, labels "classic anti-Semitism." Mr. Gibson also says that he trimmed a scene from "The Passion" involving the Jewish high priest Caiaphas because if he didn't do so "they'd be coming after me at my house, they'd come to kill me."

Who is this bloodthirsty "they" threatening to martyr our fearless hero? Could it be the same mob that killed Jesus? Funny, but as far as I can determine, the only death threat that's been made in conjunction with "The Passion" is Mr. Gibson's against me. The New Yorker did, though, uncover one ominous threat against the star: "He's heard that someone from one of his hangouts, the Grand Havana Room, a Beverly Hills smoking club, said that he'd spit on him if he ever came in again." Heard from whom? What is the identity of that mysterious "someone"? What do they smoke at that "smoking club"? Has the Grand Havana Room been infiltrated by Madonna's Kabbalah study group? I join a worried nation in praying for Mr. Gibson's safety.

His over-the-top ramblings are, of course, conceived in part to sell his product. "Inadvertently, all the problems and the conflicts and stuff — this is some of the best marketing and publicity I have ever seen," Mr. Gibson told The New Yorker. That's true — with the possible exception of the word "inadvertently" — and I realize that I've been skillfully roped into his remarkably successful p.r. juggernaut. But I'm glad to play my cameo role — and unlike Bill O'Reilly, who sold the film rights to one of his books to Mr. Gibson's production company, I am not being paid by him to do so....

Abiola said "If this is the best you can throw at the guy, he eminently deserves to win."

Talk about straw men (and low standards). First, who said this was "the best" (or worst, as the case may be)? This is simply one of many things. Second, if it was "the best", that means he "deserves" to be Governor? There are at least 100 people on the ballot that I haven't seen anything this negative about - they must "deserve" to win too!

Someone give me something positive about A.S. that shows me he deserves the Governorship -- some evidence of ability to govern, of experience with policy decisions (by his own admission, he has none and is learning a great deal every day -- isn't that nice?). He's asking us to trust us that he can be bi-partisan. Bush asked us to trust on that too, and said he was a uniter not a divider. Why would we trust another Republican without a record on that front?

"Sorry Abiola, Sorry Arnie, I clearly feel that this quote fails the tolerance test."

It only fails if one is entirely lacking in anything resembling a sense of humor. The point of Schwarzenegger's joke was clear enough - he was pointing out that ordinary standards of chivalry rule out certain behaviors that are perfectly acceptable when we're dealing with two ROBOTS who happen to merely LOOK like human beings! This isn't rocket science, so I have a hard time accepting that you guys aren't just CHOOSING to misinterprete a statement by an actor whose political affiliation you don't like.

How anyone can extrapolate something so obvious to make it say anything about Schwarzenegger's attitudes towards women is simply beyond me. This whole fuss about such a picayune affair makes liberals look bad, not Schwarzenegger - you just come off as humorless, schoolmarmish sourpusses.

"Second, if it was "the best", that means he "deserves" to be Governor?"

Oh please! The fact that the Democrats have gone to such trouble to throw such weak material at Schwarzenegger tells any red-blooded right-winger that they're absolutely terrified he'll win; what more encouragement could a fellow want?

"Someone give me something positive about A.S. that shows me he deserves the Governorship -- some evidence of ability to govern, of experience with policy decisions"

He can hardly do worse than Gray Davis, can he? Davis has given ample evidence of his INABILITY to govern, and nothing Bustamante has ever said or done gives one grounds to believe he'll be any better. As for the "uniter vs. divider" business - remember the saying about glass houses and stone throwing? Gray Davis and Bustamante aren't champions of peace, love and unity either.

Dear Ms. Abiola Lapite,
Thank you so much for the excellent lesson you just taught me.
Sincerely,
Your adoring student

"How many times do you get away with this -- to take a humorless, schoolmarmish sourpusse, grab him upside down, and bury his face in a toilet bowl?..."

"Dear Ms. Abiola Lapite,"

Since you're being so grateful, here's another lesson for you, gratis - I'm NOT a "Ms." or a "Mrs.", got that? Making stupid assumptions about others' identities only makes an ASS out of you, "wolf."

""How many times do you get away with this -- to take a humorless, schoolmarmish sourpusse, grab him upside down, and bury his face in a toilet bowl?...""

As many times as you can get away with it - how's THAT for a punchline?

Give it a rest, why don't you? You aren't being clever, and, unlike Schwarzenegger, you aren't funny either.

"...humorless, schoolmarmish ..."?

"How many times do you get away with this -- to take one of the usual suspects, grab him upside down, and bury his face in a toilet bowl?... "

Not often enough?

But congratulations to everyone who supplied the punchline to the old joke, "How many feminists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?"

This is clearly a regressive fantasy on Arnold's part in which he's trying to eliminate his castration anxiety (cathected via the actress) by replacing it with the pleasure he gets from withholding bowel movements (toilet's a floating signifier). He is Austrian, I believe.

As I read it, the comment wasn't _meant_ to be funny. It was a genuine expression of pleasure on Schwarzenegger's part that he could do this particular stunt to a woman who wasn't really a woman. I'm not surprised that there are many decent Republicans who cannot support Schwarzenegger for governor due to this sort of thing.

"How many feminists..." - Patrick, it should not take any 'ists' of any kind to react stronlgy against when a candidate for Governor talks about how much he likes grabbing people "upside down, and bury [their]face in a toilet bowl?..." should it?

Arnold's frank acknowlegment of the violent, sadistic side of human nature, which lurks below the surface in all of us, is tonic and refreshing in an age of sanctimonious denial of everything not in accord with nicey-nice political correctness.

Arnold has a deep respect for women, and that respect, combined with his understanding of the self-discipline and self-restraint necessary in order to have a civilized society, will keep him from ever acting out his fantasies except on the silver screen.

ah1 yes. let us bow down to onan the barvarian!

Arnold also understands working people. Unless of course they are Canadians, but "How many times do you get away with this -- to take a Canadian worker, grab him upside down, and bury his face in a toilet bowl". From http://www.womenjoiningarnold.com/

>>This former bricklayer understands working people. When he found out producers were planning to shoot Terminator 3 in Canada - which meant men and women here in California would lose work - he gave a big chunk of his salary back to keep production here. So now, when I read that he's anti-working people I think, "Give me a break!" His whole life is about working people.>>

sorry.
correction:
ah, yes! let us bow down to onan the bavarian!

>Onan the Bavarian

Score one for John C. Although Arnold's homies would be offended at his being called something other than Austrian, or Carinthian.

I don't care about Arnie's comment since I am not a woman... And neither do Arnie's political advisors since very little of his potential electorate is likely to be composed of females...

Who cares, unless one of the duties of the Governor of CA is to determine whether robots with female features get their faces shoved into toilets in movies?

If this is a big issue, it doesn't meas AS should be Gov, but why are you recalling the guy you just re-elected? BEcause you don't like his position on shoving female-looking robot's heads into toilets? (and I am a Repub.)

gruss gott, joe. i'm looking forward to seeing arnold on one of thoses late night info-mercials.

Dear Ms. Abiola Lapite,

(skōōl′märm'), n. a woman schoolteacher, esp. of the old-time country school type, popularly held to be strict and priggish.

Sheesh, do I have to hit you over the head with the mockery?

It's bad enough for a politician to talk as disrespectful about people as Arnie does here. But then it's the bad wibes, the associations:

Arnie is Austrian; many Austrians were Nazis, Nazis killed Jews; some Jews were killed by Nazis by having their faces buried into toilets (primitve ones in the camps, not WC) - these are facts. Now:

>>"As we were rehearsing, I saw this toilet bowl," says Schwarzenegger, an impish smile crossing his face.>>

OK - so Arnie begins to remember something his father told him from the war? something about killing jews? And then:

>>"How many times do you get away with this -- to take a woman, grab her upside down, and bury her face in a toilet bowl?.... ">>

Well, I guess at least some Nazis actually got away with it.

The Nazis didn't think of Jews as human beeings, insted they believed them to be "unworthy", of "lower standing race". The Nazis didn't really think of it as killing men and women. Arnie says: "The thing is, you can do it, because in the end, I didn't do it to a woman -- she's a machine!" And the Nazis really succeeded in their awful crime to remove most of Europes Jewish population. Arne says: "We could get away with it without being crucified by who-knows-what group."

mats,

chill out. replicants have no memories. neither do kalifornians.

Arnold can clearly kiss the robot vote goodbye.

Miss Lapite is being disingenous, and she knows it. This statement-- and it is disturbing-- is hardly the only example of Arnie's disrespect and downright hostility to women. Surely she's heard of the female host in Britain whose breasts Arnie grabbed and many, many other stories.

Miss Lapite is being disingenous, and she knows it. This statement-- and it is disturbing-- is hardly the only example of Arnie's disrespect and downright hostility to women. Surely she's heard of the female host in Britain whose breasts Arnie grabbed and many, many other stories.

Sorry about the double post, misspellings, etc. Not only did the comments post twice through no fault of my own, my spelling was mangled by... uh... the server or something! Moveable Type! Bush!

Trying to paint Arnold as a Nazi because he is Austrian, and because he his father was a Nazi, is McCarthyism. Arnold disliked his brutal father intensely, and has done everything to make his own opposition to Nazism and anti-Semitism clear. He has been a large contributor to Jewish causes and has been a dedicated opponent of anti-Semitism in all its forms.

Arnold's ideology, insofar as he has one, is liberalism in the European sense of the word, which is similar to libertarianism, although it is less extreme. His politics grows out of his deep love for this country and gratitude for the opportunities it has given him.

His personality is a strange mixture of ruthless ambition and desire to help those less fortunate than himself. Maybe not so strange - that description fits many politicians.

Trying to paint Arnold as a Nazi because he is Austrian, and because his father was a Nazi, is McCarthyism. Arnold disliked his brutal father intensely, and has done everything to make his own opposition to Nazism and anti-Semitism clear. He has been a large contributor to Jewish causes and has been a dedicated opponent of anti-Semitism in all its forms.

Arnold's ideology, insofar as he has one, is liberalism in the European sense of the word, which is similar to libertarianism, although it is less extreme. His politics grows out of his deep love for this country and gratitude for the opportunities it has given him.

His personality is a strange mixture of ruthless ambition and desire to help those less fortunate than himself. Maybe not so strange - that description fits many politicians.

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"Dear Ms. Abiola Lapite"

You are quite clearly a congenital idiot who labors under the disability of being unable to read, madomiselle "wolfine".

"Miss Lapite is being disingenous, and she knows it. "

I see that wolfessina's plight is rather more common than might have been expected. Poor little natalina-doggess WILL take the time to learn to read sometime, won't she? If I'm a woman, you've got to be some sort of pre-operative transvestite.

Make that Styrian, not Carinthian.

http://www.steiermark.at/cms/ziel/1550/EN/

"I just realized that I have a perfect part for you in Terminator 4,"

>Make that Styrian, not Carinthian

I stand corrected. He's known as the "Styrian Oak Tree".