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Uncertain Principles: But They Were Viet Cong Fillings... More like this, please:

On ABC's "This Week," former White House chief of staff John D. Podesta tackled Bush's National Guard service during Vietnam. "Senator Kerry carries shrapnel in his thigh as distinct from President Bush who carries two fillings in his teeth from his service in the Alabama National Guard, which seems to be his only time that he showed up," Podesta said.

I mean, if we're going to have the campaign revolve entirely around thirty-year-old sleaze, let's just go all the way.

To paraphrase Ted Barlow, oh, what I wouldn't give to be in a coma from now until just before the election...

(The quote is buried in the middle of this Washington Post article, right after a bunch of slime from Bob Dole. I had thought better of Dole than this-- another one bites the dust.)

Posted by DeLong at August 23, 2004 08:39 AM | TrackBack
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Okay, how about the usual suspects try to reconcile the three versions (two of which are very different) of Kerry's Silver Star citation. Here is the one Elmo Zumwalt signed at the time:

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/militaryrecords_1.pdf

It's on pages 7 & 8.

Here are two shorter versions signed first by Admiral John Hyland, and a second one signed by John Lehman. There are some differences between the two here, but nothing like the discrepancy from Zumwalt's:

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Silver_Star.pdf

Print them out and compare. Notice that the VC with the rocket launcher disappears from the Hyland and Lehman versions. As does much else.

Posted by: Patrick R. Sullivan at August 23, 2004 08:54 AM

"Is it me or is Bush going everywhere Kerry goes? So far in the past week, President Bush has followed John Kerry to Davenport, Iowa; New Mexico; Las Vegas; Los Angeles; and he follows him to Portland, Oregon. The only place he never followed John Kerry was Vietnam." - Jay Leno

Posted by: Jay Leno at August 23, 2004 09:28 AM

I dunno, looks like the later versions edited the Zumwalt version for length -- the original doesn't fit neatly on a single page.

Apparently the experts on the subject considered the concise version to be enough justification for the medal.

Posted by: Bob Webber at August 23, 2004 09:46 AM

"President Bush is not fazed by other candidates' war records. He said, I may have not fought in Vietnam, but I created one."
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Posted by: Craig Kilborn at August 23, 2004 10:05 AM

Shrapnel vs. Fillings?

So you're saying that the choice is between a candidate with lead poisoning and one with mercury poisoning?

Posted by: Paul Callahan at August 23, 2004 10:21 AM

Ah, how quickly they forget!

Who was Ford's "hatchet man" as VP candidate in 1976 and demonstrated a real talent and taste for the job?

Posted by: lady c at August 23, 2004 10:48 AM

Dole?

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"It's insane!" says serious political thinker an media critic Glenn Reynolds. "They call this 'objective' 'journalism'? How can we answer the question 'Should this man be president?' when our media refuses to address the question of his deeply questionable memory for dates?"
"He says he was in Cambodia around Christmas but he was really in Cambodia in January!" says me. "He could be off by as much as three weeks! Three and a half even!"
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Posted by: Fafnir at August 23, 2004 12:29 PM

Still at it Patrick ? Earlier, he was claiming that the fact that the Silver Star was signed by Lehman indicated it was bogus. Now, its something else.

Posted by: Pi Zeta at August 23, 2004 01:01 PM

Yes, at the time I didn't know there were three different citations. All different. What would be an explanation for that?

Posted by: Patrick R. Sullivan at August 23, 2004 01:33 PM

I would have probably voted for Dole if he'd won the GOP nomination in 1988; he probably would have acted as a rational counterbalance to a Democratic Congress. I'm both surprised and sorry to see how low he's stooped.

Posted by: RT at August 23, 2004 01:37 PM

Patrick, here's a piece of free advice: if you want us to take you seriously and not as some modern species of a kennedy conspiracy buff, then maybe do some frickin' research on silver star awards and the paperwork associated. Maybe this happens every time; maybe it never happened; maybe john kerry snuck into various offices in the dead of night and changed reports around.

Meanwhile, why do you hate the Navy?

Posted by: howard at August 23, 2004 02:22 PM

When piecing together events from 40 years ago, you cross-reference documents (no two will be identical -- that's a NO DUH) and only take correlated information as fact. All CORRELATED data indicate Kerry served admirably. All SBVT accounts DO NOT correlate with ANY historical reports -- including their own. Why is this so difficult?

With Bush, there is a LACK of data, including records known to have been preserved on microfiche. As long as data known to exist is not released, I'd give conspiracy theorists a free pass.

Posted by: Dragonchild at August 23, 2004 06:25 PM

RT wrote:

I'm both surprised and sorry to see how low he's (Dole) stooped.

Having been subjected to the entirety of Dole's political career by virtue of a life in Kansas and Missouri, I can tell you truly that Dole has never done anything but stoop. He is, in fact, incapable of walking erect, Viagra or no.

He has always been a political bottom-feeder, spewing the vilest sort of character assassination from the beginning. His two campaigns against Dr. Bill Roy for the US Senate almost certainly served as inspiration for both Lee Atwater and Karl Rove. That so many were (and continue to be) fooled by his faux-statesman act has long been a source of consternation.

I think the true Bob Dole was channeled best by Dan Ackroyd on SNL during the (I believe) 1980 campaign, when Ackroyd/Dole turned to Pat Robertson (played with elegant smarm by Al Franken) and growled, "Heal my withered arm and I'll vote for you."

He's a two-bit political hack, a thug, a scumbag. His current despicable activities for the Bush campaign are nothing new at all.

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