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Miller is about to join Chalabi and Ken Lay as people the President was once really close to but now he just sort of recalls.

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If you make your bed with wolves...

This was originally spun as Miller being too busy with interviews. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040903/pl_nm/campaign_miller_dc_3

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/03/opinion/03krugman.html?hp

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I don't know where George Soros gets his money," one man said. "I don't know where - if it comes from overseas or from drug groups or where it comes from." George Soros, another declared, "wants to spend $75 million defeating George W. Bush because Soros wants to legalize heroin." After all, a third said, Mr. Soros "is a self-admitted atheist; he was a Jew who figured out a way to survive the Holocaust."

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The suggestion that Mr. Soros, who has spent billions promoting democracy around the world, is in the pay of drug cartels came from Dennis Hastert, the speaker of the House, whom the Constitution puts two heartbeats from the presidency. After standing by his remarks for several days, Mr. Hastert finally claimed that he was talking about how Mr. Soros spends his money, not where he gets it.

The claim that Mr. Soros's political spending is driven by his desire to legalize heroin came from Newt Gingrich. And the bit about the Holocaust came from Tony Blankley, editorial page editor of The Washington Times, which has become the administration's de facto house organ.

For many months we've been warned by tut-tutting commentators about the evils of irrational "Bush hatred." Pundits eagerly scanned the Democratic convention for the disease; some invented examples when they failed to find it. Then they waited eagerly for outrageous behavior by demonstrators in New York, only to be disappointed again.

There was plenty of hatred in Manhattan, but it was inside, not outside, Madison Square Garden.

Barack Obama, who gave the Democratic keynote address, delivered a message of uplift and hope. Zell Miller, who gave the Republican keynote, declared that political opposition is treason: "Now, at the same time young Americans are dying in the sands of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan, our nation is being torn apart and made weaker because of the Democrats' manic obsession to bring down our commander in chief." And the crowd roared its approval.

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GOP backs away from Miller’s blast
Democrat ‘speaking for himself,’ Bush aide says
MSNBC and NBC News
Updated: 10:06 a.m. ET Sept. 3, 2004After gauging the harsh reaction from Democrats and Republicans alike to Sen. Zell Miller’s keynote address at the Republican National Convention, the Bush campaign — led by the first lady — backed away Thursday from Miller’s savage attack on Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry, insisting that the estranged Democrat was speaking only for himself.

Late Thursday, Miller and his wife were removed from the list of dignitaries who would be sitting in the first family’s box during the president’s acceptance speech later in the evening. Scott Stanzel, a spokesman for the Bush campaign, said Miller was not in the box because the campaign had scheduled him to do too many television interviews.

There was no explanation, however, for why Miller would be giving multiple interviews during Bush’s acceptance speech, or what channels would snub the president in favor of Miller. Nor was it made clear why Miller’s wife also was not allowed to take her place in the president’s box 24 hours after his deeply personal denunciation of his own party’s nominee.

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The change was made only a few hours after Laura Bush, asked about Miller’s speech, said in an interview with NBC News that “I don’t know that we share that point of view.” Aides to President Bush and his campaign said Miller was not speaking for all Republicans.

Miller, who all but abandoned his party after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, returned Wednesday to Madison Square Garden to denounce Kerry as “more wrong, more weak and more wobbly than any other national figure.”

It was in the same hall 12 years ago that Miller, then the respected conservative Democratic governor of Georgia, enthusiastically supported Bill Clinton and belittled President Bush’s father as “a timid man who hears only the voices of caution and the status quo” and a “commander-in-chief [who] talks like Dirty Harry but acts like Barney Fife.”

Wednesday night, Miller delivered a fervent pro-Bush sermon that infuriated Democrats and left even some Republicans unsettled.

“No pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often, than the two senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry,” Miller said. “Together, Kennedy and Kerry have opposed the very weapons system that won the Cold War and that is now winning the war on terror.”

“This is the man who wants to be the commander-in-chief of our U.S. armed forces? U.S. forces armed with what? Spitballs?” he asked in a cold and controlled fury. “... For more than 20 years, on every one of the great issues of freedom and security, John Kerry has been more wrong, more weak and more wobbly than any other national figure.”

Democrats were furious. Led by Kerry himself, who planned to fire back sharply in a midnight rally Thursday night in Ohio, Democrats accused Miller of lying about Kerry’s record and predicted that his address would backfire in the way Patrick Buchanan’s “culture war” speech at the 1992 Republican convention damaged the first President Bush.

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The Bush campaign stepped backed from Miller’s comments Thursday after it was received with almost immediate criticism, including complaints from prominent Republicans like Sen. John McCain of Arizona.

“Well, Zell Miller is a very experienced politician,” McCain, who spoke earlier at the convention, told NBC News on Wednesday night.

“I’m sure he knew exactly what he was talking about. [But] I just don’t agree with the fact that the Democrats are unpatriotic or the assertion that the Democrats are unpatriotic,” he said. “I don’t think they are.”

In an interview Thursday, Laura Bush told NBC News’ Tom Brokaw: “I don’t know that we share that point of view. I mean, I think Zell Miller has a very interesting viewpoint, just like I had the personal viewpoint to talk about the president when I spoke on Tuesday night. ...

“But, I mean, his voice is one with a lot,” the first lady said. “You also heard Senator McCain. You also heard Mayor Rudy Giuliani and Governor [Arnold] Schwarzenegger.”

A senior White House official, speaking to reporters before Bush’s address Thursday night, said, “Senator Miller was speaking on behalf of himself and obviously on behalf of himself.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5897622

Miller's speech - and its subsequent disavowal by the Gruppenfuehrers - is just another example of the schizophrenia that has characterized the Republican campaign. Laura Bush says "I don't know that we share that view." But it was pretty clear that the delegates did - Miller was cheered as lustily as Ahhhnnold was....

One wonders who vetted the primetime speeches. Did BC'04 really benefit from Schwarzenegger's happy recall of the Nixon years? I think they were so happy to have some Democrats and moderates on the platform that nobody dared tell them what to say.

But the really interesting question is whether Miller will take his dissing with good grace? It's not as if he hasn't burned his bridges with the Democrats, but good grace isn't his strong point either.

I have absolutely no doubt that Miller's speech was thoroughly vetted by Karl Rove; I wouldn't be surprised if most or all of it was written by him, too. For one thing, it contained a lot of the same lies and distortions the Republicans have been using against Kerry all along. For another, in Miller's interviews afterwards he seemed to have very little understanding of the content of his own speech.

And finally, this adminstration is notorious for keeping extremely tight control over what its spokesmen say, and being vigilant in keeping them "on message." There is just no way that Bush's people would let someone on stage, let alone to give the keynote, without knowing exactly what he was going to say.

What Rove may not have realized is what the delivery might be like, and how that would affect the response.

"...handlers did not account for the shouting voice or glowering stare with which the 72-year-old former Marine delivered his speech, or the short-tempered manner he displayed in interviews once the veracity of his charges began being challenged..."

--So handlers aren't particularly good judges of C-H-A-R-A-C-T-E-R.

As a 47 year old native Georgian let me tell you that our man Zell played to all the sterotypes. The major one being the mean, ignorant, codger that is "afeard" of the world outside the safe world of clay and pine trees. I think the button down suits that cleared this old coot were caught off guard by how menaceing unbridled rural rooted ignorance is as presented by a glowering madman. Its the same thing that gave "Deliverance" its punch.

Millbank and Allen:
"...The speech continued the efforts of other convention speakers -- whose remarks were vetted or written by the Bush-Cheney campaign -- to conflate the war in Iraq, which is generally unpopular, with the war on terrorism..."
(emphasis added)
Sure. Zell Miller was just talking for himself.

This is what's really weird: no one in the Deep South talks that way anymore. They talk like Trent Lott and Richard Shelby. I felt I'd been warped back a good thirty-five years--which, given the specific focus of Miller's rage (Kerry's anti-war stance in '69 and after), is not exactly untimely, just, well, out of time....But then, as Freud likes to remind us, the Unconscious knows no time....

And yet, the polls will likely show a big Bush bounce following the Republican convention. American voters, who say they don't like negative campaigning, are nonetheless seemingly influenced to a significant degree by such tactics. The Republicans may actually be rewarded by the poll respondents (and possibly by voters in November) for running a vile and angry convention and campaign.

The "dumbing down of America" continues, as evidenced by voters who can't figure out the connection between the successful results of negative campaigning and getting loads more of it in the next election. One would think there is a point of diminishing returns to be reached in continuing to push political campaigning in such a direction but one shouldn't overestimate the intelligence of the average American voter these days.

Well, I'm not saying you're wrong, Brad, but I think there's a possibility that Laura put her foot down, and said that she did not want to have to sit with such a raving lunatic. She was pretty crisply clear about how she felt about his speech.

Or maybe its just that she, and maybe W, too, just were offended by his performance on the shows afterward. "Don't lose it in public" is a rule they live by, after all.

"There was plenty of hatred in Manhattan, but it was inside, not outside, Madison Square Garden"
~~~~

While outside that very same Madison Square Garden...

New York (CNSNews.com) - U.S. Rep. Major Owens, a New York Democrat, warned a crowd of feminist protesters that the Bush administration is taking America "into a snake pit of fascism."

Owens also said the Bush administration "spits on democracy" and is leading the country down a path reminiscent of "Nazi Germany"...

http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewNation.asp?Page=\\Nation\\archive\\200409\\NAT20040902a.html
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New York (CNSNews.com) - A featured performer at a National Organization for Women rally accused President Bush of having "savagely raped" women "over and over" by allegedly stealing the 2000 presidential election....

http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewNation.asp?Page=%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200409%5CNAT20040902b.html
~~~~

Professor K news reporter, as accurate as usual.

"Senator Zell Miller carries the Bushies' water, and performs his designated role as attack slug. "

Yeah, imagine someone with the toady character of a water-carrying attack slug being chosen to be a keynote speaker!

One just could *never* picture such a lowlife person giving the keynote speech at, say, a Democratic convention nominating Bill Clinton.

Both conventions were propaganda machines- the Republicans were better organized. Giuliani’s speech was clever and humorous. Arnold’s speech was about himself and full of lies. You can trust Arnold as far as you can trust Chalabi or Douglas Feith. Bush told us to expect more of the same- more tax cuts, privatization of social security (defensible, if one figures a way to cover the revenue diverted from payouts into stock investments), bigger deficits. I was disappointed in the networks- even NPR constantly replayed the swift boat ad and Zell Miller’s wild exaggerations. Instead of repeating Miller’s bombast, an intelligent network (does one exist?)would note that Miller objected to Kerry’s votes against the Patriot missile, and claimed that those missiles were important in the first Iraq war.
It’s good that Kerry voted against the Patriot missile (although he didn’t always do so) because
a. Raytheon is corrupt and is local pork- a Massachusetts corporation with serious violations, a la Halliburton –check Raytheon: A History of Abuse, Corruption & Incompetence, at www.antarcticstorm.org/documents/ Raytheon_History_of_Abuse.htm

b. The Patriot missile fizzled in the first Gulf War. The company and President Bush 41 hyped its performance, but after the war it became clear that the Patriots were loose cannons, shooting down allied aircraft and hitting few if any scuds. The House Governance subcommittee on legislation and national security reported after the war that “The public and the Congress were misled by definitive statements of success issued by administration and Raytheon representatives during and after the war." Successful Patriots were like the Iraq sponsored anthrax attacks – false.
I haven’t heard any journalist comment on the evolution of “no-American zones” in Iraq, in Sadr City, Bequba, Fallouja, Najaf, and maybe more- places where Americans can’t go except in tanks or APCs. Probably most Iraqis were glad to be rid of Saddam. They expected the US to provide order, security and electricity- that’s why there were none of these no American zones in January 2004. The longer that we remain, the more that there will be. Polls don’t address this problem, which we never had in Japan or Germany. Do American voters want more of the same? Do the networks feel any obligation to peel back the veil of propaganda around Bush & Kerry?

zell should have recognized that the bushits prize loyalty. even though they got zell to become a turncoat, that didn't win him any points with the bushits. in fact, they view him with disgust for his treason to his friends and his party.

the bushits view him as a man with no principals. no loyalty.

use him, to be sure. love him and trust him into the future? no way.

zell must have some form of dementia that he failed to understand this. or, perhaps it was just a donation to his favorite charity[himself] that caused him to shill for the republican gangsters.

anyway, zell has proven that he is just a cab driver collecting his fare for a bad drive across town.

republican passengers never socialize with the cabby. do they?

One of the great things about blogs is that they link. If one follows the link back, through all the garbage in the way, we find what really happened.

And Brad, it ain't exactly how you portray it.

"Despite signs of GOP ambivalence, a focus group conducted with 17 independent voters in Ohio by GOP pollster Frank Luntz for MSNBC drew a mostly positive response. These voters, Luntz said, did not care for Miller's attacks on the Democratic Party because they were too "broad-brush," but the attacks on Kerry resonated because Miller anchored his criticism in specific arguments about Kerry's record.

"They liked facts," Luntz said. "They're not responding to style. They're asking for a level of detail."

The group, in which voters turned dials to register reaction to each line of the speech, thought the most "memorable" passage of Miller's speech was his recitation of weapons systems Kerry supposedly voted against, then asked how such a man could lead the armed forces. "U.S. forces armed with what?" Miller asked. "Spitballs?"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57566-2004Sep2.html

That's pretty important.

If you have any pull with the Kerry People, Brad, please ask them to make the debate about vision instead of about Bar Stories? Cause right now Kerry looks like one of those.

"No S***, there I was, coming down on my Reserve 'chute. M-16 in my right hand laying out suppresive fire while the good old M-1911 .45 in my left pumped out a beat of the metronome of death.........."

"Here, pal, have another beer."

Jim Glass posts it again: The RNC standards of conduct are the same as those of special interest groups.
The beauty of pasting is that you don't have to think twice, it being such an effort in the first place.
Work with me now: Do you think that such a polished, high-brow, sophisticated gathering as the Republican National Convention should share the same standards of conduct as Mr. Owens or as the femminists you linked to?

Getting the Democrat Miller to give the keynote was an example of Bush-Rove sadism to begin with.
To have what was supposed to be a fulfilling act of sadism boomerang on them is richly satisfying.

Bob, I don't know if I'd go that far ('richly satisfying') but if Fahrenheit is still not resonating in the voter's heads, Miller's rant might be.
Boomerang it richly deserves, but a Time poll indicates otherwise. Surely the other polls indicating some backlash are more accurate, I hope and pray.

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