September 12, 2004

Time to Beg

Mark Helprin publicly sets out the view that the grownup Republicans whisper to each other in their secret midnight conclaves:

Mark Helprin: ...our strategy shiftless, reactive, irrelevantly grandiose; our war aims undefined; our preparations insufficient; our civil defense neglected... a hapless and incompetent administration that in a parliamentary system would have been turned out long ago...

Now it is time to beg the grownup Republicans to actually do something. After Iran-Contra they did do the equivalent of a parliamentary system's intra-party change of government: a new NSC, a new chief-of-staff (Howard Baker), a promotion of Secretary of State George Shultz to be Grand Vizier for Foreign Policy. For the long-run sake of the country the grownup Republicans need to have a plan--if George W. Bush wins the election--for creating an executive branch that will not produce disastrous decisions on security and economic policy. Proponents of failed policies need to be replaced. People who have lost contact with reality need to be fired. It's not in the interest of the country to have the policy failures of the past four years continued and amplified. It's not in the interest of the Republican Party in the long run for it to sacrifice its reputation for fiscal conservatism and for competence in security policy.

What is their plan? For if they have no plan, they have a moral obligation to do everything they can to make sure that George W. Bush does lose this election.

Posted by DeLong at September 12, 2004 11:13 AM | TrackBack
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What is remarkable about the Republican Party, and what Democrats had best learn finally, is how united they are. Waiting for grown Republicans to appear and support John Kerry is fruitless. Where are the Democrats in support of John Kerry is the problem now? Heck, where is John Edwards for that matter?

Posted by: lise at September 12, 2004 11:31 AM

Long time supporters of the Democratic Party are in denial about the current situation. Republicans are the majority party. They control all branches of the federal government, and at least 22 states. Even the states like Tennessee that are nominally democratic are governed by Republican look-alikes.

It may be that this happened because the bulk of Americans are no longer able to evaluate policy, either from a neutral perspective or from the perspective of self interest. Content-free platitudes like "family values" dominate, and serious people are totally marginalized.

Or, maybe the bulk of the people really believe that they should vote for a president who seems like he would be fun to have a beer with.

It may be that the president really spoke to people when he said after 9/11 that the best thing we could do was to go and shop, while keeping a close eye on our neighbors to see if they are terrorists. Consumerism is apparently the new moral center for many of us.

I am thinking about moving to France. At least the food is good. And my french is so bad that I will not understand when my new neighbors say ugly things about this once-great nation.

Posted by: masaccio at September 12, 2004 11:59 AM

A few prominent Republicans here in Oregon have signed on with Kerry, and a couple more signed an ad in the NYT asking the Republican Party to be nicer (don't know the exact wording or intent). There are special local reasons -- even though Oregon is a moderate state, winger control of the Repubs means that the party can't elect anyone statewide and only has 2 of 7 congresspeople. Furthermore, winger control of the Legislature has led to bullying of moderates and a lot of bad legislation.

That said, I'm highly skeptical. Not only are the adult republicans craven, but I think they realize that the party doesn't think it needs them. Rove has put together his coalition without them. If the 100 smartest moderate Republicans all openly left the party, I doubt that it would cost Bush more than a few thousand votes. We're really facing a know-nothing mob.

Snowe, McCain, Schwarzenegger, Powell -- they're all being good Germans.

Posted by: Zizka at September 12, 2004 12:06 PM

For whatever reason, the "grown-up" Republicans are out of play. The only effective forces left to rein in the group in charge now are the CIA and the FBI. It's a pretty sad day when a democratic republic has to rely on its intelligence services to save it from itself.

Posted by: Brad M. at September 12, 2004 12:22 PM

Grant the well-documented insularity of the American people(Pew surveys), who cannot distinguish Samarra from Samarkand and, maybe, San Jose, you still must confront the social basis of politics. Sixty-six percent of Republican delegates were Protestants, which likely makes them Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, or Scandanavian in origins. 33 percent of those are self-identified evangelicals. They will be overwhelmingly against gay marriage, nervous about racial integration, hostile to affirmative action, and prone to accepting moralistic depictions of American interventions overseas. They may like to visit the coastal metropolises, but they sure wouldn't live there. Too many Catholics, Jews, and other visible minorities.
Now look at the Redstates map: the social basis of politics leaps out at you.

Posted by: g-lex at September 12, 2004 01:48 PM

"...a hapless and incompetent administration that in a parliamentary system would have been turned out long ago..."

And how does one account for Tony Blair?

Posted by: Frank Wilhoit at September 12, 2004 02:10 PM

"...not in the interest of the Republican Party in the long run for it to sacrifice its reputation for..."

Please cite evidence that the reputation of the Republican Party, among its constituents, has changed.

Posted by: Frank Wilhoit at September 12, 2004 02:14 PM

G-Lex, unfortunately, has a point: the central component of the GOP coalition right now is Christian fundamentalists and white Southerners who still have a strong tendency toward racial and religious bigotry, and the party as a whole therefore dares not buck their interests in more than a very limited way. Thus it's not out of the question that this whole affair will end up with, in effect, the world's first nuclear religious war, with the rest of the human race caught in the nuclear crossfire.

It should, however, be remembered that the reason Kerry is losing is simply that he himself has shown no more idea what to do in the current situation than Bush has.

Posted by: Bruce Moomaw at September 12, 2004 02:17 PM

And note that Helprin still can't exist in the real world for longer than he can hold his breath. Unless I'm the one who's out of touch with reality, and '1940-2000' were really peacetime years, and the muslim world is really "...in regard to the elemental beliefs that fuel jihad, is as homogeneous as Denmark."

Judging by Mark, it seems that the closest that the GOP can come to grown-ups is teenagers on acid.

Posted by: Barry at September 12, 2004 02:17 PM

"It should, however, be remembered that the reason Kerry is losing is simply that he himself has shown no more idea what to do in the current situation than Bush has."

Even if that's true, Kerry, unlike the incumbent, won't be a total incompetent.

Posted by: Brian Boru at September 12, 2004 02:38 PM

Actually what Bush, Kerry, or any other president will have to do is withdraw from Iraq, as Nixon withdrew from Vietnam, as Humphrey, if he had won, would have done, too.

But no one can say this and be elected, and after being elected, while they are doing it, they won't be able to admit they are doing it.

Posted by: sm at September 12, 2004 04:04 PM

sm -

I think the situation in Vietnam was fundamentally different from Iraq today. Vietnam really was not a threat to us, and was not going to be. We really had no business being there at any time from start to finish. Leaving cost us nothing. (Before you say Cambodia, you're wrong, and Vietnam actually stepped in to STOP that.)

But think about what Bush has created in Iraq. It was no threat to us before, but it is now. It really is a terrorist recruitment center now. And if we do leave, including leaving the oil (fat f*****g chance), then in the South we have created a wealthy nation-state allied with (maybe soon to be part of) Iran and intent on taking out revenge on us. In the North we leave behind a civil war between the Kurds and the Sunnis, wth Turkey invading. Meanwhile the entire region will have been disrupted by us, knowing that we DO just leave.

We can't leave Iraq now. That was Dean's position, by the ay. The only people saying we should just leave are the Naderites.

Posted by: Dave Johnson at September 12, 2004 04:21 PM

Unquwestionably, SM -- but the real question is what ELSE we should do.

Brian Boru: "Even if that's true, Kerry, unlike the incumbent, won't be a total incompetent." Well, he's certainly smarter -- or, to be more accurate, more honest and moral -- on domestic policy; but on foreign policy (to repeat) I see no evidence so far that either of the candidates has the sense God gave a goose in coping with one of the deadliest crises in US history. If Kerry had any sense whatsoever, he would be screaming bloody murder in speeches and TV ads (as his advisor Graham Allison is screaming) that the Iraq War is a very serious distraction from our REAL top priority, namely preventing nuclear terrorism and proliferation. But he isn't doing so, apparently because he himself isn't taking Allison seriously.

While Bismarck said that "God protects little children, drunks, and the United States of America", everyone's luck runs out at some point, and ours may now have done so.

Posted by: Bruce Moomaw at September 12, 2004 04:23 PM

September 13, 2004

Surge of Baghdad Violence Leaves 59 Dead
By ROBERT H. REID, Associated Press

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Insurgents hammered central Baghdad on Sunday with one of their most intense mortar and rocket barrages ever in the heart of the capital, heralding a day of violence that killed nearly 60 people nationwide as security appeared to spiral out of control.

At least 37 people were killed in Baghdad alone. Many of them died when a U.S. helicopter fired on a disabled U.S. Bradley fighting vehicle as Iraqis swarmed around it, cheering, throwing stones and waving the black and yellow sunburst banner of Iraq's most-feared terror organization.

The dead from the helicopter strike included Arab television reporter Mazen al-Tumeizi, who screamed, "I'm dying! I'm dying!" as a cameraman recorded the chaotic scene. An Iraqi cameraman working for the Reuters news agency and an Iraqi freelance photographer for Getty Images were wounded.

Maimed and lifeless bodies of young men and boys lay in the street as the stricken U.S. vehicle was engulfed in flames and thick black smoke.

Posted by: lise at September 12, 2004 04:36 PM

If "Grown Up Republicans" do what Brad wants, what they will *not* do are:

1) Admit publically that the 2001-2005 Bush administration was flawed or error-prone (especially before the election), or

2) Admit after the election that changes are removals for incompetence. Instead people will want to "spend more time with their family" and "persue other interests."

Indeed, it is much more likely that "Grown Up Republicans" will be *able* to affect these sorts of changes only if they are not forced to admit what they are doing.

Posted by: Tom at September 12, 2004 05:17 PM

Dave Johnson,

The US will leave Iraq because it will have no choice.

What else must be done, says Bruce Moomaw. You have to take step one before you can take step two. In this case, a tremendous amount of humility and rethinking will have to emerge before step one can be taken.

Am I pessimistic? You bet. Dictatorship and depression are real possibilities.

Posted by: sm at September 12, 2004 05:21 PM

The grown up Republicans (your adjective not mine) don't believe there will ever be a political cost to eight years of Bush screwing things up. They take Reagan as a model -- not the Reagan of George Shultz and Howard Baker, but the fantasy Reagan of Norquist and DeLay. They don't think the public can't be fooled and browbeaten into finding Bush to be heroic, steadfast, etc. The Snowes, McCains, whoever you think they are, they are all maneuvering for power in a world that they think will always find Bush to be a great man, tax cuts clever economic policy, and preemptive war the bravest decision a president can make. They may be right, in which case we are screwed. But there's no reason to think they are planning for taking over on Bush's coattails. How else to read McCain's pandering independent schtick, or Romney's attack poodle convention appearance. They've got nothing. Good Germans is right.

Posted by: david at September 12, 2004 05:27 PM

So the Bush campaign now hinges on two criticisms of Kerry:

1. "I've fucked Iraq up so bad that Kerry has no idea at all how to fix things".

2. "Kerry screwed up -- he trusted me!" (The Animal House defense.)

Both are accurate, but it really doesn't seem that Bush should be using these two particular arguments.

Posted by: zizka / John Emerson at September 12, 2004 05:30 PM

Oops. Mixed up negative there. I meant to say, McCain thinks that he's got to con the people into thinking he's like Bush, not take back his conned party. That should give pause to anyone who thinks the grownups can be appealed to.

Anyway, how long before Helprin starts questioning Kerry's war record?

Posted by: david at September 12, 2004 05:32 PM

As far as the ethnic composition of the Republican party, as mentioned by g-lex, leave the Scandinavians and Germans out of it. Wisconsin and Minnesota, with the densest German-Scandinavian populations, are perhaps the least Republican of the inland states.

The British are the bad guys. Minnesota has almost the lowest proportion of British-descended population of any state, believe it or not (New Mexico and Hawaii are lower, I think).

The Germans who came to the US were normally liberals or radicals, and generally they have had a civilizing influence on the US. Lind mentions this in "<ade in Texas".

The phrase "good Germans" refers to people who, in 1932, didn't like the new leader at all but supported him out of loyalty and duty.

Posted by: zizka / John Emerson at September 12, 2004 05:39 PM

G-lex has a point about the social basis of the party politics, although I would put a somewhat different face on it. Even more than the red/blue states, look at the red counties. One of the characteristics of that environment, where I grew up, is a stubborn sort of day-to-day independence. If something is broken, fix it. If your neighbor needs help, you try. Historically, businesses are small. The federal government, and even the state government, is "somewhere else" for the most part. The traditional attitude (wrong on a variety of counts) is "If the government would just get off our backs, we can take care of ourselves."

The Democratic party has a very hard time reaching out to even the moderates in those counties. The make-up of the delegates at the Democratic convention is as skewed as the Republicans, just in different directions -- union members, teachers, and government employees are substantially overrepresented (relative to the population, and especially relative to the red counties' population), whites are somewhat underrepresented, and business owners are greatly underrepresented. Put bluntly, to the red counties the Democrats look and feel like "city folks".

One suspects demographic trends are on the side of the Democrats. Many of the red counties' population is shrinking, and the urban population is growing. More and more of the suburban population is growing up without exposure to those rural attitudes.

Posted by: Michael Cain at September 12, 2004 06:05 PM

"What is remarkable about the Republican Party, and what Democrats had best learn finally, is how united they are."

What, you mean they're a cult? It's not remarkable; it's pathetic, and all too common.

Posted by: Dragonchild at September 12, 2004 06:53 PM

Hoping for the cookie to crumble somewhere (looking for Grown-up Republicans) why has Powell remained a 'good German'? It's not as if he has been well-compensated by the WH for his services.
Is it the military service that has steamed every last molecule of that 'moral obligation' out of him?

Posted by: calmo at September 12, 2004 08:54 PM

You need to offer some definition of "moral"--as far as I can tell, many of the GOP are quite satisfied with the Bush intent to place the entire burden of taxes on the middle and lower classes while excluding them from any effective exercise of political power. Oh, it's also ok if they choose to (or are conned into) die for Bush's incredibly stupid and hubristic foreign policy decisions. As far as I can tell, all but a few of the GOP consider such a future to be quite "moral"--as is the use of vicious smear tactics (against recalcitrant members of your own party as well as the Dems), gerrymandering, illegal money movement within campaign funds (or utilizing same for personal use), etc--all the wonderful tactics DeLay has employed during his lengthy career--oh, and let's not forget the waste of millions of dollars of taxpayer money to persecute a Dem Chief Exec--remember Whitewater and how the US just had to have independent prosecutors--until the shrub slimed into the White House?

Then there's the dubious (to my mind) "morality" of depriving women of much of the control of their reproductive capacity--even if carrying to term means death of the woman. Not to mention the weakening (or outright revision) of pollution control measures (including protecting polluters from all liability for the injuries resulting from their actions--including those that could reasonably have been predicted) which is very likely to lead to higher rates of lung/pulmonary disorders, Parkinson's disease, diabetes (veterans exposed to Agent Orange develop diabetes at a significantly higher rate then "average"), various cancers, and birth defects. And probably other disorders and diseases I am not aware of. There's also the "morality" of Bush's decision not to sign the fissile materials treaty unless the provisions putting some actual teeth in the treaty are removed. But at least some of Bush's supporters consider him to be a "moral" person. Their definition must be different than mine. Thus, you need to define what you consider to be "moral" behavior to be.

Posted by: azurite at September 12, 2004 08:57 PM

Moral? I'm still wondering what happened to, "THOU SHALT NOT KILL."

Posted by: Dragonchild at September 12, 2004 10:01 PM

"One of the characteristics of that environment, where I grew up, is a stubborn sort of day-to-day independence."

Which somehow manages to accept many indirect government subsidies. Here in the West, these are largely water projects. Very odd business, the way people can feel independent and yet be utterly dependent. Or perhaps it's braggadocio.

Posted by: Randolph Fritz at September 13, 2004 02:11 AM

Brad, there is one major difference between today and 1987. Today if any "Grown Up Republican" come forward they will not have the pull with in their own party to survive as political force. They would be branded a "RINO" Republican In Name Only. A Lugar or McCain could surely win reelection in their own states, but at the cost of constant assult from the Right-Wing. They would be marginalized and seen as a pariah The Republicans created great the Right-Wing talk radio alternative universe with the repeal of the fairness doctrine in 1988 now they must suffer the consequences

A Lugar, McCain, Hagel would have to be willing to risk(throw away) their own political ambitions for the good of the country. That choice was not faced by Howard Baker or Schultz. No group of Grown Ups has the power with in the Republican Party to wrestle power from the Wing-Nuts. Perhaps that might still happen, if it does it would however it would mean siding with the Democrats in order to force several election defeats upon the Republicans. With the "Repugs" increasingly controling things at the state level, I would think it would lead to moderates becoming outcasts at best. Also none of the Grown-Ups have enough money to fund there own campains. With the Wing-Nuts controling the fund-raising apparatus, they seriously face defeat if not in a primary then in a general election.

What you hope for might happen. It just would take a level of courage and sacrafice I don't think any Grown-Up Republican has shown.

Posted by: llamajockey at September 13, 2004 02:16 AM

It is my firm belief that there are no responsible old guard people left, or this train wreck of a government would not be where it is today. They seem to dance at the whim of every little stakeholder in their program, including the media (FCC issues), Energy (both the oil, coal, wires and powerplants guys and the make money out of air guys), telecom, and can't forget defense and logistics. They just throw money at the latter with seemingly no oversight , accountability, or concern. My vision of the future, which was kind of bland and star trek-y under Democrats, is now very Blade Runner, PK Dick dystopian.

Posted by: Buford T. Coltrane at September 13, 2004 02:57 AM

What is needed to win the Presidency is for Democrats to support John Kerry, and every other Democratic candidate. Where are John Edwards, Bill Bradley, Al Gore, Joe Lieberman? Where are the Democrats?

Posted by: lise at September 13, 2004 03:28 AM

Dave Johnson said, "We can't leave Iraq now. That was Dean's position, by the ay. The only people saying we should just leave are the Naderites."

Suppose iraq gets their elections, and an elected assembly. Is there any particular reason for them to vote to let the US military stay in iraq? As long as our soldiers are there, the elected government looks like they're our puppets. Throwing us out is the most popular thing they can do.

We can't get by, manipulating the situation to get a puppet or intimidated assembly. Everybody knows that nobody wants us there except the kurdish thugs we support. Perhaps they can word it so we get to stay in the kurdish provinces, and make it a unanimous vote?

For us to stay in iraq we must either prevent an elected government, or we must ignore that government's wishes about our occupation.

So, say the elections happen in March, we should expect to start leaving in early April.

Of course, if things go very wrong and the elections are delayed indefinitely, then we can stay indefinitely. But that would be bad.

So we need to look at what we can do to help clean up the mess, that doesn't involve US troops in iraq. What can we do after the troops are gone? Whatever we find that looks helpful, we can start as soon as we're ready -- no need to wait until the troops are gone unless the troops get in the way.

Posted by: J Thomas at September 13, 2004 07:54 AM

I fear that the "grown-up" Republicans have been silenced by the take-no-prisoners tactics of DeLay and company. I'd wager that the VRWC has found damaging material on all these guys (or more likely, their children) which it is holding over their heads. Toe the line, or face ruination.

Things in these United States have spun out past Byzantine. We are being ruled my men with the morals of Francis Urquhart.

Posted by: jlw at September 13, 2004 08:38 AM

It's unusual for the excellent Zizka to be as off-base as he is today. He seems to have forgotten that Wisconsin is the state that gave us McCarthy. Those progressive and socialist Germans largely vanished around the time Eugene Victor hit the slammer, and by 1939 they were largely America First or worse.

Minnesota is arguably the most racist state in the Union. Think Mississippi 1960, but without any blacks. (In somewhat the same way Mill Valley contends with Sausalito for the title of most racist municipality. They keep all their blacks in an out-of-sight box called "Marin City.")

Being Welsh I hate to say anything good about the English, but do point shyly at Connecticut, Vermont, Maine, Washington, Oregon, Pennsylvania, and to some extent New York as examples of the English, as opposed to Germanic, contribution to America's polity.

Posted by: David Lloyd-Jones at September 13, 2004 09:18 AM

I don't intend to beg "grown-up Republicans" to do anything.

The Bush administration is their mess; so it's their obligation to clean it up.

Posted by: fellow at September 13, 2004 10:44 AM

"Minnesota is arguably the most racist state in the Union". Sorry, but this comment is completely off-base. It is true that Minnesota has relatively few blacks, who are mostly living in the Twin Cities, but I still believe that Minnesota has a liberal and not a racist tradition like in Mississippi. Conservatives sometimes say that "Minnesota really belongs to Canada". Yes, Canada, the country in North America that best exemplifies what is good about the English. Eh, where did most of the plantation owners in the South come from ? Germany ? Nope, from merry England.

Posted by: Nescio at September 13, 2004 10:47 AM

"Rove has put together his coalition without them. If the 100 smartest moderate Republicans all openly left the party, I doubt that it would cost Bush more than a few thousand votes."

I am afraid that is the core problem: the problem of populism (or demagoguery). Not just the core problem for you (in the US) but for us in Europe as well (and in other parts of the world).
Your one-round-election presidential-democracy is even more vulnerable however.

There is no easy way out.

The US Democrats should have better listened when Ted Rall taught about "Rall's rule of ideological balance" (http://www.uexpress.com/printable/print.html?uc_full_date=20030805&uc_comic=ru . essentially: a moderate incumbent can only be defeated by a moderate opponent, an extreme incumbent never). But it's too late now.
All political grown ups (Democrate, Republican, Green, Independent) should unite to fight the populist threat. First aim: get rid of direct elections. Read this amazing essay by H. P. Kedilaya from India on ultimate democracy.
http://www.geocities.com/someidea2000

It will be hard to stay inspired. Worldwide cooperation among political grown ups could offer a bit of help here.

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