October 30, 2004

Orwellian

I'll stop calling this crew "Orwellian" when they stop using 1984 as an operations manual.

Kos reads the New York Daily News:

Daily Kos :: Political Analysis and other daily rants on the state of the nation.: No surprise, but the Bush people are giddy as can be that they've failed to capture or kill Osama.

"We want people to think 'terrorism' for the last four days," said a Bush-Cheney campaign official. "And anything that raises the issue in people's minds is good for us."

A senior GOP strategist added, "anything that makes people nervous about their personal safety helps Bush."

He called it "a little gift," saying it helps the President but doesn't guarantee his reelection.

Which has to remind one of this passage from Emmanuel Goldstein's Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism:

George Orwell - 1984 (full text, online, free) - Part 2, Chapter 9: [S]o long as they remain in conflict they prop one another up, like... sheaves of corn.... [I]t is necessary that the war should continue everlastingly and without victory.... In past ages, a war, almost by definition, was something that sooner or later came to an end, usually in unmistakable victory or defeat.... But when war becomes literally continuous.... The war, therefore, if we judge it by the standards of previous wars, is merely an imposture.... But though it is unreal it is not meaningless...

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I am wondering if we are talking about the same tape. There was no threat in this tape, he was simply stating fact, if the policies are not changed we will never have peace. Why people are talking about the threat factor is beyond me, the only possible reason is to continue to promote the big bad boogie man that Bush needs to scare his way into the win column.

Did you notice that in this most recent tape Bin Laden compared the Bush administration to repressive Arab regimes by saying that: ``in that half of them are ruled by the military and the other half are ruled by the sons of kings and presidents.''

He said the concept became clear to Bush's father when he was president and had visited Arab countries.

``He wound up being impressed by the royal and military regimes and envied them for staying decades in their positions and embezzling the nation's money with no supervision,'' bin Laden said.

``He passed on tyranny and oppression to his son, and they called it the Patriot Act, under the pretext of fighting terror. Bush the father did well in placing his sons as governors and did not forget to pass on the expertise in fraud from the leaders of the (Mideast) region to Florida to use it in critical moments.''

Bush's handlers are depending on people not really knowing what was said in that tape. Their only hope is more spin!

Posted by: aRuss at October 30, 2004 04:13 PM

Almost sounds to me like they are saying that they did not capture ObL on purpose.

Posted by: MonkeyBoy at October 30, 2004 04:40 PM

Almost sounds to me like they are saying that they did not capture ObL on purpose.

Posted by: MonkeyBoy at October 30, 2004 04:46 PM

What does Miss Manners say is the correct response when a homicidal maniac bent on world domination gives you a "little gift?" Is a thank you note sufficient, or perhaps another gift in exchange like flowers or nice watch?

Posted by: Rob at October 30, 2004 04:46 PM

Almost sounds to me like they are saying that they did not capture ObL on purpose.

Posted by: MonkeyBoy at October 30, 2004 04:47 PM

Almost sounds to me like they are saying that they did not capture ObL on purpose.

Posted by: MonkeyBoy at October 30, 2004 04:49 PM

SORRY. something is screwey with the software. I would post the comment, take a long time to process, and then it would never show up in the comments. I guess I should learn patience. Ook OOk.

Posted by: MonkeyBoy at October 30, 2004 04:53 PM

What will Osama's next message say?

Case 1: Bush wins. Osama says, "Ha ha! Stupid Americans. You elected the man who hasn't been able to catch me in over three years and has driven hordes of Muslims into the arms of al Qaeda. Fooled ya!"

Case 2: Kerry wins. Osama says, "The evil Bush has received his just recompense. It is the will of Allah! Great is the name of Allah!"

In other words, Osama bin Laden is his own spin master and will declare "victory" no matter what happens. On balance, he'd probably be happier if the incompetent Bushies stay in office and his "little gift" was offered for this reason. But the stupid Bush people have now overplayed their hand and perhaps voters will notice.

Posted by: TonyB at October 30, 2004 05:13 PM

Welcome to the club, Monkeyboy. Post once, and then a few seconds later refresh the thread. Usually your post will be there.

Posted by: Zizka at October 30, 2004 05:16 PM

One has to wonder about the timing of this release and if bin Laden does not percieve that it is to his advantage to have Bush reelected.

The re-election of Bush will signal to the world that Bush's policies are US policies. Bush's policies have been favorable to bin Laden's cause, having them become policies endorsed by the US electorate in the eyes of the world will be even more favorable strategically to bin Laden.

Posted by: Sam Taylor at October 30, 2004 05:20 PM

Rob: Bush has already given OBL his favourite gift to give in exchange, FREEDOM™!

Posted by: John Owens at October 30, 2004 05:20 PM

The blog has been awfully slow, and the comments section slower. Is there a general problem, or possibly just about the university?

Posted by: anne at October 30, 2004 06:01 PM

Orwellian. Yeah, Doublethink, the ability to hold two contradictory ideas in one's head at the same time. Sorta like claiming it was bad to "outsource" Afghanistan to Afghanis, but it would be good to outsource Iraq to the French.

Posted by: Patrick R. Sullivan at October 30, 2004 06:04 PM

Shame on you, for saying that our Glorious Leader should have killed or punished Osama bin Laden for killing thousands of our civilians on 9/11! Our Glorious Leader is a Christian man, full of love and forgiveness, and it's this forgiving nature that has allowed him to forgive Osama! Why, the day that Osama knelt down before our Lord and Savior and accepted Him into his heart, that was the day that all his sins were washed away in the Blood of the Lam. Surely you're not saying that Paul was lying when he said "Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord"?!

Yours in Snark,
John Asscroft, Pastor General, Untied States of America

Posted by: John Asscroft at October 30, 2004 06:09 PM

No, Patrick, it would not be good to outsource Iraq to the French. But it might be among the best of the several incredibly bad options that we are faced with after the amazing bungling of our war president.

Posted by: joe at October 30, 2004 06:12 PM

COMMENT PROBLEMS: for my multiple spraying of comments, I would post a comment, wait for it to stop sending, not see it in the comments, go back to the tab with the main blog, open "Permanent Link/Comments" in a new tab, still not see my comment, post anew, lather, and repeat.

If you look at the time stamps on my postings, you can see that it took 9 minutes for my first posting to actually show up.

Posted by: MonkeyBoy at October 30, 2004 06:28 PM

These last 2 days, I have found the comments section in particular so sluggish there would be no post at all at times.

Posted by: anne at October 30, 2004 06:54 PM

Rob Pres Bush is more the homicidal maniac who wants world domination. Osama just wants the US to leave the Arabs alone.

Posted by: old ari at October 30, 2004 06:58 PM

"There is Nothing New Under the Sun"

George Bush's life imitating George Orwell's art?

Yes, perpetual war vers an inscrutable EastAsian
protagonist cum osama of id allegedly "leading"
millions of (lightly armed and poorly organized,
but who differentiates?) rebel zealots against
(not the US, but our allies the House of Sharon
and House of Saud, if the truth were told) that
Father Knows Best economic fantasy America, that
no longer exists for the majority of our people.

Better still if that House of Bush elite not
only directly benefits from perpetual war, and
our continued avalanche of tax tribute, and they
can cut to zero capital gains and estate taxes,
so that only the common citizens they prey upon
pay 100% of perpetual war in blood *and* taxes.

Hence the very apt term for them: "VampiRoyals".
Centuries of the Habsburg Dynasty, the Angevin
Dynasty, now America's own, the Bush Dynasty. Will we suffer the ascendancy of their daughters to the throne? Will people weep and throw roses?

Aristotle explains why this must be so:

"But whenever a family ... shall happen so far to excel in virtue as to exceed all other persons in the community, then it is right that the kingly power should be in them, or if it is an individual who does so, that he should be king and lord of all; for this, as we have just mentioned, is not only correspondent to that principle of right which all founders of all states, whether aristocracies, oligarchies, or democracies, have a regard to (for in placing the supreme power they all think it right to fix it to excellence, though not the same);

But it is also agreeable to what has been already said; as it would not be right to kill, or banish, or ostracise such a one for his superior merit. Nor would it be proper to let him have the supreme power only in turn; for it is contrary to nature that what is highest should ever be lowest: but this would be the case should such a one ever be governed by others.

So that there can nothing else be done but to submit, and permit (Bush) continually to enjoy the supreme power."

"A Treatise on Government - Book III: Chapter XVII"

Posted by: Tante Aime at October 30, 2004 08:47 PM

No

No

No

No

That's all wrong. The point is to accuse the Republicans of being happy Bin Laden is alive for political reasons.

The point is to cast doubt on Bush's commitment to capturing Bin Laden

The point is to remind people of "I'm not that concerned"

It is so smart to notice how similar this is to some book. We have to focus on getting swing voters to choose Kerry.

Focus.

Posted by: Joe Hawthorne at October 30, 2004 09:04 PM

Might the reason why they didn't use US forces against OBL at Tora Bora, and the reason why they didn't take out Zarqawi, be one and the same?

Posted by: jm at October 30, 2004 09:48 PM

http://www.rotten.com/library/conspiracy/press-your-luck/

George Bush isn't George Orwell, he's a Michael Larsen. The Conservatives carefully studied the US electoral process beginning in the 1970's and culminated in the election of Ronald Reagan with the Rise of the New South and Christian Right. George Bush was just the logical culmination of a long and carefully executed strategy, starting all the way back in church socials, in school district board elections and media saturation.

But just like Michael Larsen, the traditional Conservatives didn't have an exit strategy, now their branding is usurped by Evangelicals, who wait in the wings everywhere in life, studying our every move, waiting for their chance. The Conservatives lost everything they gambled for to the Apocalypse Now crowd.

NeoCons are the Devil himself, George Bush is a runaway train, and America is about to Rapture, in pure allegorical terms, of course. Bush wins. Whether we submit to all this is another story.

Posted by: Harry Possue at October 30, 2004 11:34 PM

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Posted by: Joe Hawthorne at October 30, 2004 11:54 PM

Well, contrary to the famous Goldstein quote, the war is real.
That said I find the current administration very orwellian .
between the grasping attempt to curb the rights that define our nation ( I felt more free in 1972) and the outright doublespeak that comprises the name of each new program, bill , or effort, to the inspirational sayings that hang behind the president's every speech, to the fear mongering, it is torrent of Orwellian confusion.

Posted by: Jim A. Sherman at October 31, 2004 07:39 AM

Tante Aime quoted Aristotle but failed to remember that Aristotle was a ass in regards to his political elitism.

And furthermore the quote assumes that the BUshCo family excels in virtue --- where it is really the case that they excel in Sophisty...making the worse arguement appear to be the better...

The sound you hear is Socrates turning over in his grave...

Posted by: sgo at October 31, 2004 09:41 AM

MonkeyBoy wrote, "If you look at the time stamps on my postings, you can see that it took 9 minutes for my first posting to actually show up."

To paraphrase the _Onion_, "Movable Type profoundly blows."

Posted by: liberal at October 31, 2004 10:19 AM

When it comes to outsourcing, the greatest coup of all was the Israelis outsourcing of Iraq to the United States.

Posted by: Steve at October 31, 2004 11:21 AM

i think i mentioned this once before... but it seems to me that they are using '1984' big brother methodology with a 'catch-22' milo attitude.

Posted by: R.Cynic at October 31, 2004 11:41 AM

“Only the disciplined mind can see reality, Winston. You believe that reality is something objective, external, existing in its own right. You also believe that the nature of reality is self-evident. When you delude yourself into thinking that you see something, you assume that everyone else sees the same thing as you. But I tell you, Winston, that reality is not external. Reality exists in the human mind, and nowhere else. Not in the individual mind, which can make mistakes, and in any case soon perishes: only in the mind of the Party, which is collective and immortal. Whatever the Party holds to be the truth, is truth. It is impossible to see reality except by looking through the eyes of the Party.”

-O’Brien, 1984

“The aide said that guys like me were ''in what we call the reality-based community,'' which he defined as people who ''believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.'' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ''That's not the way the world really works anymore,'' he continued. ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''”
-Anonymous Bush aide, quoted in Ron Suskind’s article, “Without a Doubt.” New York Times Magazine, October 17, 2004

Posted by: Rob at October 31, 2004 12:24 PM

Digression, sort of, relating to reality, historical parallels, and 1984 -

What were German newspapers like in the late 20s-early 30s? Was there editorial opposition to the National Soc_ialists'* rise to power? Or did they just join in drumming up patriotic ire toward internal and external targets? Is there a good book that covers this? (I have They thought they were free, but didn't notice that it went into German journalism any.)

* note: the underscore was needed so the word doesn't contain a certain, uh, "performance" brand name.

Posted by: Anna at October 31, 2004 01:26 PM

They Thought They Were Free URL:
http://www.thirdreich.net/Thought_They_Were_Free.html

Posted by: Anna at October 31, 2004 02:02 PM

Anna,

The best book on the subject I know of remains The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William Shirer. I read this almost thirty years ago and have come to believe it is foundational for an understanding of any subject relating to what was happening in Germany at the time.

Posted by: ken at October 31, 2004 03:47 PM

just to note in passing, patrick sullivan, as usual, fails the first test of analogy: he doesn't cite analogous things. why does he bother?

as for brad's actual post, the astonishing thing is that if the kerry campaign had called the 9 dead marines this weekend a "little gift" from the iraqi insurgency, the decibel level of right-wing response would be off the charts.

instead, 9 dead marines is located deep in the newspapers, while the front page discusses how the OBL tapes (according to analysts with a track record of error and idiocy, of course) will help bush, and how bush's people think it's a "little gift."

it will take a very long time to clean up our public discourse from the mess that the right wing has made of it (witness patrick sullivan)....

Posted by: howard at October 31, 2004 04:22 PM

News reports say that poll results since the new Bin Laden tape was released indicate no effect on horse race, or slight movement for Kerry. So people are not as simple as some other people might think.

Aristotle. Keeping in mind the report that GW Bush may have been thinking about a "minor" war since 1999 for political uses, I read that Aristotle gave Alexander the Big the following advice before the eager young student went on to martial glory.

"As for the peoples you meet, treat humanely those who are willing and able to become Greeks, as for the others, treat them as animals or plants, in any way you see fit, so that they will be useful."

Anyone have a source for that quote? I can't find it now. But I remember reading it. If GW has been thinking about a war for political gain since 1999, I guess he maybe reads Aristotle. Who would have thunk?

Posted by: jml at October 31, 2004 08:33 PM

As for timing and content of Bin Laden tape, talkingpointsmemo has a link to an interesting analysis in the LA Times:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-binladen31oct31,0,3539236.story?coll=la-home-headlines

It says Bin Laden might be trying to rise above his history of monstrosity and mass murder to appear as a statesman, in order to broaden the appeal of his movement to un- or only partially sympathetic Muslims around the world.

For people like Bush and Thompson, and their GOP flacks, to presume that they can understand the convoluted headgames this monster Bin Laden is playing, and use them to their own advantage is the height of arrogance, or foolishness, or cynicism, or dopiness, or all of the above. It brands them all as unfit to be dogcatchers in the smallest village, or shepherds, or cowboys, or anything else that requires outwitting any living creature with a brainstem. I also read in talkingpointsmemo that Bush actually thinks that one of Bin Laden's top goals is to get him out of office!! If he really believes that, the Pres is very far gone into insanity. If this is true, isn't there a Constitutional amendment we can use to fix the problem?

Posted by: jml at October 31, 2004 08:51 PM

http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SA1404

"This message was a warning to every U.S. state separately. When he [Osama Bin Laden] said, 'Every state will be determining its own security, and will be responsible for its choice,' it means that any U.S. state that will choose to vote for the white thug Bush as president has chosen to fight us, and we will consider it our enemy, and any state that will vote against Bush has chosen to make peace with us, and we will not characterize it as an enemy. By this characterization, Sheikh Osama wants to drive a wedge in the American body, to weaken it, and he wants to divide the American people itself between enemies of Islam and the Muslims, and those who fight for us, so that he doesn't treat all American people as if they're the same. This letter will have great implications inside the American society, part of which are connected to the American elections, and part of which are connected to what will come after the elections."

Seems Osama thinks Kerry is a surrender monkey.

Posted by: Patrick R. Sullivan at November 1, 2004 08:22 AM

Brad, will you stop posting such tripe as your sock puppets Patrick R. Sullivan. Please. It gives grown up Republicans a bad name.

Posted by: Eli Rabett at November 1, 2004 08:44 AM

You shouldn't ban Patrick Sullivan, that's his way, not ours.

To be fair and balanced, follow his link to MEMRI, then look at:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,773258,00.html

The Guardian reports that “Its work is subsidised by US taxpayers because as an ‘independent, non-partisan, non-profit’ organisation, it has tax-deductible status under American law.”

You decide.

Posted by: Steve at November 1, 2004 11:54 AM

Following up on Steve's link from the Guardian, I found this:

"The reason for Memri's air of secrecy becomes clearer when we look at the people behind it. The co-founder and president of Memri, and the registered owner of its website, is an Israeli called Yigal Carmon.

Mr - or rather, Colonel - Carmon spent 22 years in Israeli military intelligence and later served as counter-terrorism adviser to two Israeli prime ministers, Yitzhak Shamir and Yitzhak Rabin.

Retrieving another now-deleted page from the archives of Memri's website also throws up a list of its staff. Of the six people named, three - including Col Carmon - are described as having worked for Israeli intelligence.

Among the other three, one served in the Israeli army's Northern Command Ordnance Corps, one has an academic background, and the sixth is a former stand-up comedian."

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