March 09, 2004

Why Oh Why Can't We Have a Better Press Corps? (George W. Bush National Guard Discharge Records Edition)

Why isn't it news that George W. Bush continues to break his promise to Tim Russert to release all his military records?

Discourse.net: Scandal Fatigue?: Remember how GW Bush promised to release all his military records? And then remember how that promise was inoperative the very next day? We still have seen Bush’s discharge papers. All it would take to put this to rest is a signed release by the ex-National Guardsman himself. But he hasn’t done that…and people seem to have stopped demanding it. Why is that? Lest we forget: Bush To Make Up Missed National Guard Service This Weekend

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Add it to the list of flip-flops!

While I believe it's been pointed out elsewhere that some of the dKos flip-flops might be more accurately termed broken promises (FWIW), and this is arguably one of them, the "did... will... won't" pattern to the National Guard records release saga seems close enough.

Posted by: Tom Bozzo on March 9, 2004 12:01 PM

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Oh, Paaaaaaatriiiiiiiiick!

Time for BS!

Posted by: Barry on March 9, 2004 12:07 PM

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It's gotten to the point where I'm finding it harder and harder to blame Bush for lying all the time. He has no incentive to tell the truth. Scam me once, shame on you. Scam me twice...

Posted by: dubblblind on March 9, 2004 12:31 PM

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Sunshine is the best disinfectant.

Kerry should release his military records immediately, and then relentlessly pressure Bush to release his. I think Bush would have to, then.

Posted by: Anarchus on March 9, 2004 01:27 PM

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Sheesh!

---------quote---------------
Russert: But would you allow pay stubs, tax records, anything to show that you were serving during that period?

President Bush: Yeah. If we still have them, but I you know, the records are kept in Colorado, as I understand, and they scoured the records.
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Well, they did release records for the period in question. Those records showed he was paid for duty, and officially had a "good year" toward retirement. And, as for this nonsense:

" We still have seen Bush’s discharge papers. "

I've seen them. So can anyone else:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/2004-02-14-bush-docs.htm

Posted by: Patrick R. Sullivan on March 9, 2004 02:20 PM

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Patrick is back, right on cue.

So that's it? Pay stubs and discharge papers? Here's a more comprehensive look.

http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/3671

And there's still the issue of the missed flight physical.

Posted by: Dubblblind on March 9, 2004 02:44 PM

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The virtue of this situation is that Bush cannot take the risk of any more Russert-like interviews. In fact, given the mood of the WH press corps, I think he will be giving even fewer press conferences.

Posted by: BobNJ on March 9, 2004 02:49 PM

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" So that's it? Pay stubs and discharge papers?"

That's what Russert asked for, so that's what he got.

"And there's still the issue of the missed flight physical."

Only for the terminally obtuse. He wasn't flying, so he didn't need to take one. End of question. The war was over, he was headed to Harvard. He didn't need a flight physical for that either.

Posted by: Patrick R. Sullivan on March 9, 2004 04:58 PM

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Shall we apply the same standards, then, to those National Guard people now serving in Iraq? "Mission accomplished", the war is over. Hey everybody, no need to follow orders, come on home, it's Harvard Time!

Posted by: Dubblblind on March 9, 2004 09:15 PM

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He wasn't flying BECAUSE he "failed to accomplish" his flight physical. Time is what keeps one damned thing after another from becoming every damned thing at once, but in Patrick's world it runs backwards.

Neat.

Posted by: NotEndOfQuestion on March 9, 2004 09:18 PM

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"Well, they did release records for the period in question. Those records showed he was paid for duty, and officially had a 'good year' toward retirement."

Er, Patrick. As has been mentioned in your hearing several times before, when the national headquarters of the Guard in Washington asked the Texas branch for an official appraisal of Bush's performance during May 1972 to May 1973 -- having noted that he had not done any actual flying during that period -- the Texas branch refused to provide them with that information for unspecified "administrative reasons".

Posted by: Bruce Moomaw on March 9, 2004 10:06 PM

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And Bush has not released his records, merely selected bits and pieces.

But thank you very much, Patrick; my roses will grow mightily this year, thanks to the outpourings from your mouth.

Posted by: Barry on March 10, 2004 04:22 AM

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" He wasn't flying BECAUSE he "failed to accomplish" his flight physical."

Wrong, he last flew in April of '72, "cleared the base" in Houston in May, and was accepted in a non-flying status position in Alabama the same month. In June, his Houston C.O. recommended approval of his transfer to the non-flying position in Alabama.

That all precedes his missing the flight physical--deadline; July 31st.

Then, the Denver personnel office of the ANG disallowed the transfer. Bush then re-applied for another duty assignment in Alabama in early Sept. Which was granted by his superior officers on, iirc, September 15th. With their full knowledge that he'd not accomplished his flight physical.

Sometime after January '73 Bush returns to his unit in Houston. But by then the Vietnam War is officially over, and the AF has a glut of pilots--as confirmed on this blog by "Lawrence" an F-4 pilot who'd flown his plane home from Da Nang.

Bush ends his flying career, because he wanted to get on with his life. He enrolls at Harvard Business School. End of story.

Get over it, children.

Posted by: Patrick R. Sullivan on March 10, 2004 08:00 AM

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Bruce Moomaw is driven to once again betray his ignorance of the facts:

" Er, Patrick. As has been mentioned in your hearing several times before, when the national headquarters of the Guard in Washington asked the Texas branch for an official appraisal of Bush's performance during May 1972 to May 1973 -- having noted that he had not done any actual flying during that period -- the Texas branch refused to provide them with that information for unspecified 'administrative reasons'".

Go to the documents, available at several places online, and read for yourself the explanation by Bush's superior officers. It's in plain English; they couldn't rate him because he's been serving in Alabama, due to the exigencies of his civilian employment. Specifically citing his non-flying status at that duty in Alabama.

Go ahead, Bruce. Inform yourself for once in your life.

Posted by: Patrick R. Sullivan on March 10, 2004 08:05 AM

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Thank you, again, one and all, for the joint effort to "move on" from the bogus claim of "AWOL".

Posted by: Pouncer on March 10, 2004 09:57 AM

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ATTN: ClayRanck..it was Bob Kerrey of Nebraska who admitted to Nam war crimes.
Harvard B School started in Sept/Oct so why did Junior have to ETS in May? Let's see the social security records of pay. How about the social work in Houston( court ordered). Veritas,

Posted by: G Ward on March 10, 2004 12:10 PM

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Me: "Er, Patrick. As has been mentioned in your hearing several times before, when the national headquarters of the Guard in Washington asked the Texas branch for an official appraisal of Bush's performance during May 1972 to May 1973 -- having noted that he had not done any actual flying during that period -- the Texas branch refused to provide them with that information for unspecified 'administrative reasons'".

Sullivan: "Go to the documents, available at several places online, and read for yourself the explanation by Bush's superior officers. It's in plain English; they couldn't rate him because he's been serving in Alabama, due to the exigencies of his civilian employment. Specifically citing his non-flying status at that duty in Alabama."

"Go ahead, Bruce. Inform yourself for once in your life."

I already had, Patrick. Washington Post, 2-17-04 (which is the only place I'd ever heard about this):

"On May 2, 1973, Bush's evaluation form stated: 'Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit during the period of report. A civilian occupation made it necessary for him to move to Montgomery, Alabama. He cleared this base on 15 May 1972 and has been performing equivalent training in a nonflying status with the 187 Tac Recon Gp, Dannelly ANG Base, Alabama.'

"But the evaluation was returned from National Guard headquarters to the Texas Guard in June 1973, with a 'suspense date' of Aug. 6. 'An AF Fm 77a should be requested from the training unit so that this officer can be rated in the position he held,' it said. 'The officer should have been reassigned in May 1972 since he no longer is training in his AFSC or with his unit of assignment.'

"The form requested, the 77a, was sent by the Texas Air National Guard personnel office on Nov. 12, 1973, and said simply: 'Not rated for the period 1 May 72 through 30 Apr 73. Report for this period not available for administrative reasons.' "

Posted by: Bruce Moomaw on March 10, 2004 03:02 PM

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Just in case I actually have to explain the significance of this: apparently the Guard's national headquarters couldn't get any response from the Alabama unit during May-June 1973 when they asked them for an apprisal of Bush's performance there, so after a month they asked the Houston unit again -- and again got no response. (Indeed, they seem not to have gotten any official confirmation from the Houston unit that he had even been officially reassigned.)

This isn't conclusive -- which is why I haven't been talking much about whether Bush was AWOL from his Guard duty -- but it is certainly interesting, especially when combined with the total inability to find any records of his performance in the Alabama unit except for that one lone dental exam.

Posted by: Bruce Moomaw on March 10, 2004 05:48 PM

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Lovely roses, growing sooooo tall. They've been so well fed.

Posted by: Barry on March 11, 2004 08:23 AM

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Bruce, your broadmindedness about the AWOL issue is admirable. I have no such inclination after all those years (and many millions of wasted taxpayer dollars) of the Repuglican witchhunt concerning every detail of the Clinton's lives. Turnabout is fair play. The information presented to date (Patrick's tireless devotion to the cause notwithstanding) is insufficient to lay questions about the war president's military service history to rest and it deserves to live on.

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