Michael Froomkin looks for and links to the full text of Major General Taguba's Abu Ghraib report:
Discourse.net: Full Text of Abu Ghraib Report?: Does anyone know where the full text of the report by United States Army Major General Antonio M. Taguba about atrocities at Abu Ghraib prison can be found?... it’s here, on MSNBC .
And here we have the CACI Open Conference Call:
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A fascinating and horrific read. Points that stuck out in my quick run-through are that the report commends three soldiers who reported abuse or refused to participate, and that the abuses include "A male MP guard having sex with a female detainee," which Hersh and the rest of the press corps have failed to mention. (Why is this not referred to as rape in the report?)
Posted by: Gabriel on May 4, 2004 08:09 PMWhat stuck out in my mind:
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Maher Arar case: http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/2004_archives/000019.html. Some claimed it was impossible that US "intelligence" services would torture people. Shining city on the hill, my ass.
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Posted by: Tante Aime on May 4, 2004 11:34 PMWe urgently need to find out who the Abu Ghraib whistleblower was, and make sure he is able to live and have a career.
I complained about $20M stolen from a US-financed WMD conversion program in Russia, something that the media did not pick up on and that did not become a scandal, and yet it is a miracle that I am still alive. After my letter, I was immediately blacklisted for the US-financed jobs, my accounts were frozen by the IRS for seven months "because 68 is greater than 72" (which is something you cannot argue with), and I lost everything I had. The Abu Ghraib whistleblower should reveal his identity so that we all can defend him. Without our protection this honest, courageous (or simply naive, as I was) person may be in danger.
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ONE CRUCIAL AREA WHEREIN ISLAM IS MORE HIGHLY EVOLVED THAN THE LIBERAL WEST
As the son of a sea captain who was fascinated by the Islamic World as a result of his numerous working visits throughout it, I grew up learning about that great religion. In my own days as a sailor I also visited numerous Islamic lands and experienced much of its’ rich culture including prayerfully kneeling in several great mosques.
My favorite Islamic personality that emerged from my studies of Islamic history is Suleiman the Magnificent, the greatest Osmanli Sultan excepting perhaps Mehmet the Conqueror. Islam divides its morality in two parts. The first is within the LANDS OF SUBMISSION wherein Allah the merciful requires a strict and forgiving fairness in all dealings that was quite unique in the world. The second is everywhere else which is considered the LANDS OF WAR; wherein anything goes.
Within his dominions Suleiman was truly magnificent. For example, if a Christian farmer approached him with a complaint while he was marching to war amidst his armies he felt duty bound to hear him out and appoint an official to look into it and correct any wrongs committed, even by his own Islamic officials. In this light, can anyone really be surprised by the long lasting conversion of over a six of our planets population? Their culture fostered arts and sciences and the recently renamed Istanbul was a truly great center of civilization.
However, all was different in the Lands of War. A similar Christian farmer in, say Hungary, could be raped, tortured and horribly murdered along with his wife and children and that was no moral problem to Suleiman or Islam.
Again, it doesn’t take much imagination to understand the success and sustainability of Islam. Unfortunately for us, my friends, we live in the Lands of War. Osama bin Laden, his followers and allies are committed to changing that. They operate exactly in the mainstream of Islamic law, history and tradition as they are committed to converting us or killing us. And they don’t care which.
Again, unfortunately for us, the Liberal West is morally devolving by eliminating the common sense moral duality of Peacetime Morality and Wartime Morality. This leaves us very vulnerable to defeat and Islamization over the next century or two. Make no mistake, ALL MUSLIMS ARE VULNERABLE TO THE APPEAL OF THE FUNDAMENTALIST ISLAMISTS.
Organized Christianity was morally inferior in many ways to Islam until the Reformation. The task before us today is to bring about an Islamic Reformation by totally defeating the Islamists and their supporters. The way things look today, I am very concerned that we will eventually lose this war and that my Granddaughters or Great Granddaughters will be forced to wear burkas and be denied any real rights or educational opportunities.
The cemeteries of this planet are full of people who underestimated the power of Islam.
Adrian, you have no moral scruples, do you? Evidence is provided of systematic torture of detainees by the US and you cut-and-paste another slam at Islam.
There is no right and wrong to you, is there? It's only "us" and "them", isn't it. You'll claim you support the invastion because Iraqi's human rights are being violated, then when it turns out that they are still being violated post-invasion, you piss on the victims.
Posted by: Dem on May 5, 2004 08:06 AM"you cut-and-paste another slam at Islam...
Posted by Dem'
No, these are all my words, I just forgot to sign it.
It's fools like you who'll cost millions of lives by making us lose this war.
Adrian
Posted by: Adrian Spidle on May 5, 2004 08:11 AMThe question no one is asking yet:
1. The Abu Ghraib report states that pressure from MI (military intelligence) was the driving force behind the torture of presumed Iraqi insurgents.
2. MI has been presumably the driving force in setting interrogation policies at Guantanamo Bay, where people alleged to be Al Qaeda terrorist really plotting against the US are held.
3. Gitmo is closed solid. No real info. The released Brits claim they were tortured.
4. If torture was a routine practice in support of interrogation in Abu Ghraib, what the hell is going on at Gitmo?
A lot worse would be a good guess.
Posted by: Barry on May 5, 2004 08:59 AMIn a moment of meglomania, let me describe my plan for getting the US out of Iraq. Certainly Rumsfeld and Rice have to go, with Wolfowitz, et al. On the military side, it is a bit harder. In the real world the whole chain would resign in disgrace with a few suicides.
1. Ritual and real punishment of those responsible, including disbanding of the units involved in a very public way (see Tacitus for how and why) accompanied by all those in the chain of command resigning, court marshalls, etc. The civilian contractors AND their companies would face criminal charges. The examples of Admirals Matthews and Byng also spring to mind. Enough venting.
2. Delivering Chalabi in a ribbon to Jordan establishing that you mess with the US at your own cost. I believe the term of art for this is rendition.
3. Paying whatever price it takes to the EU for accepting Turkey as a member ASAP. It will be high, but less than the cost of continuing what we are doing.
4. Establishing a Kurdish state in northern and north western Iraq in loose confederation with with Iraq. It includes Kirkuk as the capital. This provides a secure base.
5. Telling Turkey that the cost of their getting into the EU is to maintain good relations with the Kurdish state, and encouraging a swap of Turkmen in Iraq with Kurds in Turkey. If we have to, we recognize the Turkish part of Cyprus.
That is at least a start. For the rest of it, we are going to have to accept an Islamic Republic in the south. How hostile they are to us depends on what we do from now on. The Sunni area is going to have to be garrisoned for a long time. Perhaps we can pay the Egyptians or Morrocans to do it.
Posted by: Eli Rabett on May 5, 2004 09:04 AMLet me make sure I have the timeline correct...
CBS (60 minutes II) has the story and is ready to run it 2 weeks prior to its actual air date. It is held back out of deference to General Myers (chair of the joint chiefs) request relating to not inflaming the situation in Falluja at that time. CBS ultimately runs it when the scoop is in danger of being lost (Hersh at the New Yorker).
For at least 2 weeks prior to its airing, the Administration knew a) about the abuses and b) that they were coming to light shortly. Yet, even by Sunday morning (4 days after the initial broadcast) Myers had not read the Taguba report. By Monday, McClellan tells us Bush had not read the Taguba report.
Which fosters the question: Is the Administration outraged that it happened, or outraged that it came to light? I want to know what they were up to between first knowledge of the abuses and today.
Posted by: tegwar on May 5, 2004 09:29 AMWell, tegwar, the contractors involved are supposedly still in there, on duty, a couple of months since a two-star general noticed this stuff.
If the Army didn't want those guys there, I can't think of any good reasons why those guys wouldn't have been gone before the general left the prison, let alone months later. By the time that the final draft was ready to be signed by him, those guys would be in the US, and the company would be explaining in the Pentagon. That way, the report could have read that abuses were corrected.
My guess is that everything done there was desired by the brass (and the administration), with the exception of the photo shoot.
Posted by: Barry on May 5, 2004 09:48 AMAccording to the CACI open conference call this morning, Steve Stephanowicz is still in Iraq, still doing a good job, still a valued employee... whatever Maj. Gen. Taguba may say or wish...
Posted by: Brad DeLong on May 5, 2004 03:43 PMSo, in the end, the only crime from the viewpoint of the chain of command was letting some photo's loose.
Posted by: Barry on May 5, 2004 04:20 PM Crime? No,no, The President said, as clearly as he could pronounce it, " this is abhorrent..." . Not exactly an apology as McClellan would have it. Not exactly on 2 Arab networks ( as 1 is American owned and based). Not exactly "speaking directly to the Arab people".( Atmost a 30% share according to the Arab network.) Not exactly "conducting a full investigation" as even the last question from the non-American network about siding with Sharon was deleted from the interview.
10 minutes of this was all they could stand. The clincher was Bush's "Nice Job" remark at the end. Pretty obvious the production did not win the hearts of too many 'soon-to-be-detainees'. But how does it carry at home?
Was it a Good Job?
Jeez, isn't Adrian loonier than usual today? I vote for sending his granddaughters and greatgranddaughters to the slave block in Saudi Arabia right now. That way, the boogey man will leave the rest of us alone.
I was going to post my usual argument that Islam today is not the threat that either Communism or Fascism was, but I think that only heavy medication or psychosurgery would work with our hysterical little friend.
There are monsters under your bed, Adrian. They're going to ream your ass as soon as you fall asleep. Best wishes.
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