Daniel Froomkin writes:
washingtonpost.com – White House Briefing: The AP Lawsuit on Bush's Service: Here's a copy of the lawsuit filed by the Associated Press on Tuesday seeking access to microfilm of all of Bush's military service records.
From the argument: "A significant controversy has arisen in the ongoing campaign over the President's military service during the Vietnam War, and specifically whether he performed his required days of service during a period between May 1972 and May 1973. Allegations have been made that the military personnel file for George W. Bush released to the press earlier this year is not complete. The public has an intense and legitimate interest in knowing the validity of these claims, which may well be answered by reviewing the microfilm copy of the personnel file in the Texas archives."
Associated Press Assistant General Counsel Dave Tomlin told me yesterday that AP reporters began trying to get the documents back in February, but hit roadblock after roadblock.
Tomlin said the AP has been informed that the microfilm in question does indeed exist. Tomlin said that because paper records can vanish and be tampered with, the microfilm "would erase any questions."
So: any guesses as to what's in the microfilm?
Posted by DeLong at June 27, 2004 10:30 PM | TrackBack | | Other weblogs commenting on this postThis was brought to my attention by blogger JimPortland (only close, sorry Jim) and the essay by AP's Curley was worth the read too.
Gave me hope.
What's in the microfilm in TX?
Well, if it hasn't been expunged, some indication of why Bush wasn't too keen on taking physicals. Or the background reason why he was doing "community service" in Houston around that time.
In short, something that Bush doesn't want seen. Of course, he can say "when I was young and foolish, I was young and foolish."
A common suggestion is some kind of drug bust, maybe cocaine. It's possible I guess.
How much of a pass does one get for everything did before one was forty years of age?
All speculation, of course.
Is there another repository that may hold Bush's relevant records? Such as a national archive of military records of some sort? I don't know but I hope the AP will check into that.
Keef.
Posted by: keef on June 27, 2004 11:18 PM> Of course, he can say "when I was young and foolish, I was young and foolish."
Four years ago, he could have said that. But for four years, he's been saying there's nothing there. If there's something there, it will be very embarassing.
Posted by: Josh Yelon on June 27, 2004 11:53 PMI'm going for the gold: I think he has some serious condition that would have resulted in his failing the physical.
Posted by: Lee on June 27, 2004 11:53 PM>>I'm going for the gold: I think he has some serious condition that would have resulted in his failing the physical.
Brain fungus.
Posted by: EH on June 28, 2004 12:16 AMIt might revolve around what is the best joke in Farhenheit 9/11
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We all know George Bush refused to take his physical and was thus grounded as a pilot. This was shortly after the National Guards announced they would be testing for drugs. So the rumors are that's why he didn't take his physical.
When the White House released the records with the orders grounding Bush, they redacted one name.
Moore in the movie reveals that he has an unredacted document and dissovles to the name of James R. Bath's name. Bath was also suspended from flying one month after Bush for the exact same reason as Bush. Bath remianed friends with Bush and has since grown very wealthy as the man between Saudi oil money and Bush's oilman aspirations. Moore asks why did they both get grounded and why did the White House redact his name? He doesn't answer this question but the sound track plays the just opening from Eric Clapton's "Cocaine." My girlfriend turned to me and asked, "How do you fact check a guitar lick?"
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His full record will reveal he received a Silver Star, a Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat in Vietnam. He has nothing to hide and was as brave an American as they come...Oh wait, that's Kerry.
Breath-a-lizer Bush? My guess is an alcohol or drug arrest. Or an alcohol related incident like a hit-and-run or assault. Something resulting from being drunk, arrogant and out of control.
If and when it comes out now, it will sink Bush--even for him, he has lied too boldly about it.
His full record will reveal he received a Silver Star, a Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat in Vietnam. He has nothing to hide and was as brave an American as they come...Oh wait, that's Kerry.
Breath-a-lizer Bush? My guess is an alcohol or drug arrest. Or an alcohol related incident like a hit-and-run or assault. Something resulting from being drunk, arrogant and out of control.
If and when it comes out now, it will sink Bush--even for him, he has lied too boldly about it.
Posted by: Tim B. on June 28, 2004 12:48 AMAlright, I'll be the first to say it. The microfilm will reveal...nothing.
Do you really think there will be some amazing election-altering revelation in those films? Give me a break.
Posted by: Sparky on June 28, 2004 01:38 AM"You don't have to worry, there's nothing embarassing in those records"
--- Jack Ryan, 2004
Posted by: Satan luvvs Repugs on June 28, 2004 01:50 AMThe holdup in their release is to allow time to get them scrubbed.
Posted by: Chuck Nolan on June 28, 2004 04:48 AMif this were Clinton, American Spectator would have just made something up. Drudge and Rush would have blasted the message and accused the mainstream news of burying the news. The mainstream news would cave and print it at least 5 times. At that point, it would become fact. Clinton was obviously guilty. Even Aunt Marge knows that Clinton (like Harry Potter) must be guilty.
Why don't we just say that the EVERYONE KNOWS that Bush did not take his physical because of substance abuse problems? EVERYONE KNOWS that is the reason Mr Bush is hiding his records. Dare Mr. Bush to disprove the allegation. That is the way Clinton was treated.
Posted by: bakho on June 28, 2004 06:23 AMIt's not alcohol related because that won't get you grounded. He either was tested positive for cocaine, or was busted with cocaine. In either case, it is cause for grounding him from flying a plane designed to carry nuclear weapons.
And now he has the suitcase following him. Scares the hell out of me.
Posted by: Rook on June 28, 2004 06:34 AMWonderful, I love it when SDJ is in full black helicopter mode. Keep it up.
Posted by: Patrick R. Sullivan on June 28, 2004 06:50 AMExactly what is problematic about Brad's post, Patrick? -- except to a raving Bush partisan with a unrecoverably damaged reality sense?
AP (a major news organization) has sued to get certain information, AP reports that they're meeting severe resistance, and Brad asks us to speculate about what the information actually might be. This is just a goddamn webblog, Patrick. Speculation is **OK** on weblogs! Brad ius not writing the official history of the Bush administration.
Go Cheney yourself, Patrick. I sometimes wonder how you can stand to look at yourself in the mirror. What a ridiculous excuse for a human mind you really are.
Posted by: zizka / John Emerson on June 28, 2004 07:05 AM> Wonderful, I love it when SDJ is in full black helicopter mode. Keep it up.
Just a tangential note, but I noticed over the past few years (probably since 9/11) it has become trendy for people on the right to accuse Bush opponents of seeing "black helicopters." This seems to be a particularly inept metaphor, since the black helicopter conspiracies used to be sole province of loony rightwingers such as the Michigan Militia (back when it was "patriotic" to *hate* the federal government, and the UN was just steps away from declaring itself the world government and sending a blue-helmeted occupation force into the US heartlan; remember those days?).
On the other hand, it's not really inept; it's an example of the kind of rhetorical jujitsu where one side of a fight does not merely refute charges but attempts to turn them back against the opponent even when they don't fit.
Anyway, I think in the future I will not let the "black helicopter" line go by without reminding any accuser that that's a rightwing conspiracy fantasy.
Posted by: Paul Callahan on June 28, 2004 07:55 AMThe "black helicopter" meme was a big favorite of the first Bush Administration, when right-wing nutcases figured the elder Bush was scheming away. People could believe that Bush's father (former DCI, long and accomplished bureaucrat) could actually conspire directly with the Dark Forces of Global Government (as portrayed by the Trilateral Commission). Relying on any conspiracy theory that assumes presidential competence is sadly out of fashion, now. After all, how can a man who reliably mispronounces transliterated Arab names be accused of intimate, clandestine imperial designs?
Posted by: Brian C.B. on June 28, 2004 08:45 AMI predict the microfilm will say...
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Posted by: Peter on June 28, 2004 08:51 AMWhat is on the microfilm? Let me offer a slight modification of what other people are guessing:
Remember Bush's record is missing about 1 month of activity? Remember that the WH said they released all but Bush's medical records? Putting these together with his known alchoholims and drug use, a reasonable guess is that he spent a month in re-hab of some sort.
I wonder what the time line is on this legal action. Does this issue get resolved before the election? (Why not?) And we should be vigilant that Curley doesn't take early retirement to spend more time with his family or simply go missing. We need to take The Press back and this man needs our support.
Posted by: calmo on June 28, 2004 09:14 AMQuestion: Which court does this go to?
Aw, gee. This whole microfilm thing is just politics. This is just about the election. You just want to nab Bush by the election, you pondscum. Etc. etc. No? Think about this:
This morning Sibel Edmonds and two experts-in-document-classification were on the Diane Rehm show (wamu.org, audio available in the p.m.). Edmonds is the FBI translator who revealed to the Senate that she'd seen documents specifically predicting a 9/11, planes and all. The dox were in the public domain -- indeed, they've been used in testimony in open hearings on the Hill -- but after Edmonds was fired they were "re-classified" by Ashcroft to the great annoyance of Grassle and other Senators who held the hearings.
At issue this morning was the process of reclassification of material which is already available "on the 'net in five clicks, at most." There was only one caller to the show who took the side of Ashcroft's "reclassification." The caller dismissed the truth-seekers, saying, "It's all politics; it's all about the election." As though questioning a candidate's probity before an election was a no-no.
Hell, from now on I refuse to be defensive about "politics"! We are a democracy, we depend on information about the candidates' performance and policies; how they handle whistleblowers and evidence of their own mistakes is important; whether they lie; whether they cheat; whether they strong-arm citizens and government employees to keep power. If we don't demand the truth and use it in our political decisions, then we don't deserve a democracy... We've damn near lost it already.
Posted by: Bean on June 28, 2004 09:17 AMIs it possible the documents will reveal that Bush is in fact "Deep Throat"? This would explain his cozy relationship with Bob Woodward.
Posted by: Kuas on June 28, 2004 09:24 AMUnlikely he's Deep Throat. Deep Throat actually knew some things. W does not.
Posted by: Chuck Nolan on June 28, 2004 09:32 AMA lot of interesting speculation has been offered above. Surely the President will clear it all up, and thus restore some much needed creditability to his Administration by simply stepping forward and directing that the microfilm in question be released.
Now I have some....
Posted by: bncthor on June 28, 2004 09:35 AMA lot of interesting speculation has been offered above. Surely the President will clear it up, and thus restore some much needed creditability to his Administration by simply stepping forward and directing that the microfilm in question be released.
Now I have some....
Posted by: bncthor on June 28, 2004 09:38 AMA lot of interesting speculation has been offered above. Surely the President will clear it up, and thus restore some much needed creditability to his Administration by simply stepping forward and directing that the microfilm in question be released.
Now I have some....
Posted by: bncthor on June 28, 2004 09:38 AMSorry for the multliple posts. Someday, I will learn how to use the computer.
Posted by: bncthor on June 28, 2004 09:40 AMI have it, I think, but I need some help. Does anybody have solid, irrefutable proof of George W. Bush's whereabouts on 22 November 1963?
Posted by: Brian C.B. on June 28, 2004 09:52 AMThe microfilm will reveal Where Dubya Really Went in 1972: http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=16560
Is there a way to post a link here?
Posted by: abb1 on June 28, 2004 10:02 AMInteresting how voluminously people post when they don't know.
According to Linda Starr, associate editor at Online Journal, there is a two-page disciplinary order signed by LTC Killian, that removes George Bush from active duty and remands him to treatment at the Schick Center.
AOL members can read this at The Political Conundrum.
Posted by: Charles on June 28, 2004 10:17 AMSeems there is plenty of cut and dry issues to attack W on without trying to dig up a microfiche that may never see sunshine, or get access to it and end up revealing nothing. I think Clinton won a second term and managed to survive because people just got sick of the Republicans never being able to find the smoking gun on Whitewater. How much more can be gained by continuing to go after W's war record before we reach a point of dimenishing returns?
Posted by: harv on June 28, 2004 10:22 AMHarv, in a radio interview Ms. Starr stated most eloquently why this issue is important: the Texas Guard is imminently being deployed to Iraq. Because George Bush as Governor falsified records in what is called the Ghost Soldier scandal (USA Today, David Moniz), those units are being sent in understrength. The whole Iraq force is understrength and overstressed. George Bush bears responsibility.
George Bush is not fit to be commander in chief. His own military service is a metaphor for what he has done to our men and women in uniform.
Posted by: Charles on June 28, 2004 10:31 AMYou are missing the obvious.
Bath and Bush were grounded at the same time.
They were caught in bed together.
Posted by: Matthew Saroff on June 28, 2004 10:55 AMHarv -- hardly comparable. We aren't spending $100,000,000 on this, and AP is not a poltical organization anyway.
I still remember McGovern's campaign being torpedoed by the dirt on Eagleton. Republican dirty tricks goes back long before Gingrich (who was awful enough).
Whether or not we do anything bad, the Republicans will accuse us of it. So if there's any advantage in being bad, we should be.
Posted by: zizka / John Emerson on June 28, 2004 02:46 PMI believe Bath was grounded one month later.
Posted by: KevinNYC on June 28, 2004 03:18 PMNote the partisanship of the AP. Records might contain something embarassing, so it makes sense for a news organization to try to get all records. However, the AP is seeking only Bush's records, not Kerry's.
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