Brad DeLong's Semi-Daily Journal (2004)

Without further information, one has to conclude that Lukasiak is right. It's what many of us have believed from the get-go. Perhaps a little media inquiry focusing on those who made these changes effective would be helpful. Meanwhile, what happens to someone who cheats significantly on his resume? In that corporate world which is so supportive of this administration?

And of course, Mr. Bush has NEVER released all of his records from the archive.

Lukasiak's interpretation sounds right to me. It certainly fits with the bureaucratic way the US Air Force does its administrative business. What's missing is, of course, an official explanation for the change in Bush's AFSC at that point in his service, which allowed him to be moved into the NARS pool. The official record has probably been altered to ensure we never know the "official" reason. We know the real reason.

Another strange thing about this was Bush's delection in taking his flight physical, which resulted in his being taken off flight status. Once the USAF had started these administrative proceedings, Bush could have completed his flight physical and simply avoided all this administrative falderol but he didn't.

But I think we can dispense with all this niggling and just agree that Bush didn't complete his military service obligation. He essentially quit on the commitment he made to the American people when they gave him his commission and invested millions of dollars in his flight training. He was unwilling to do what thousands of us other American men did during that period of time - finish what we signed up to do and leave the USAF with dignity.

Oh, and we didn't have to lie about it as he did years later when he decided to beautify himself for running for public office.

If this is the material I looked at the other night, the author also notes that it is highly unusual t have all 3 of the cited actions authorized by the same individual.
Also, the forms were not signed, they were stamped with this officer's name.

Bush did not fufill his obligation and is still lying about it.

Does anyone contend that the Bushies would be so reticent about these records if they had shown satisfactory service? Didn't think so.

Two more things struck me about this information (www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm):

One is that, if someone had not intervened in spring 74 to clean up matters, apparently Bush would have been headed for the draft.

Two, there is a paper trail of the military looking for him with bad addresses, and he is not responding to attempts to contact him -- until he finds out that he might be dishonorably discharged or drafted... then suddenly he makes contact, updates his address to the HBS with the correct zip code... and then the record is cleaned up. He was definitely evading.

Has anyone heard whether AP has obtained the microfiche yet? I hope to hear more of this. I know it was a long time ago, but it speaks to character and it proves LYING and privilege.

I cannot say that I love Bush or anything but I am more concerned about what he is doing now that I am about what he may or may not have been doing back in the day. I think I will remain unimpressed with these stories of possible past follies until a mass grave is unearthed on the grounds of his Texas ranch (or something equally scandalous).

Kostelny is the key. Who is he, and who got to him? If he's still alive, he holds the not-to-secret secret.

Bingo,
As Paul Lukasiak says in his article, the point isn't what Bush did or didn't do 30 years ago (we all have bad decisions under our belts), but rather the fact that he's still lying about it.

"Dishonorable Diacharges and "Bad Conduct Discharges" are reserved for criminal activity under the UCMJ. Whatever discharge GWB was "headed for", it wouldn't have been a DD or BCD. Maybe an "Admisitrative Discharge" would have be more likely for the "convenience of the Service" if he was not given the normal "Honorable Discharge".

Lawrence writes:
>
> "Dishonorable Diacharges and "Bad Conduct Discharges"
> are reserved for criminal activity under the UCMJ.

Fair enough. But what, then, would the technical term be for evading your flight physical and not keeping in contact with your superior officers? What would be the penalty for this in a usual case? Frankly, I don't have any idea, but I can't imagine it was proper conduct.

Keep in mind the coverup also attacks the underlying Bush story. Here we see something being done specifically to help a future political career. Meaning he wasn't a businessman then a politican. He was a politician trying his hand a business to get elected.

kostelny: try rudolf r. kostelny, University of Fairbanks, Alaska, ROTC graduate, 1972???

I think I will remain unimpressed with these stories of possible past follies until a mass grave is unearthed on the grounds of his Texas ranch (or something equally scandalous).

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but even the ranch is fake.

http://www.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=6687

Bingo -- Until we get serious about candidates' (and others') actual records (as opposed to what they like to think or say), none of us will be living in reality. Yes, it's boring to go back over all this stuff, but it's what you might call the duty of the democrat-small-d. We've got to learn to hold ourselves and others to a standard, learn to be accountable.

I'm willing to forgive, but genuine forgiving involves facing reality and then, only then, showing one's willingness to forget. The kind of "forgiving" we've gotten into the habit of really springs from "I can't be bothered."

"...if someone had not intervened in spring 74 to clean up matters, apparently Bush would have been headed for the draft."

That would have been quite a trick, since the draft was ended in 1973.

Why, oh why, can't we have a class of usual suspects who can get it through their thick heads that the Vietnam War officially ended in January 1973?

Btw, John Kerry didn't meet the terms of his enlistment contract. And that was BEFORE the end of the war was even in sight.

I would much rather have seen the Bush Harvard transcripts and find anyone who could vouch for his attendance, his homework and test taking. He obviously didn't learn anything from his school.

From what I saw of these Bush - Cheney style draft dodgers when I was in school during Nam, they didn't spend any more time in scholastics than they did in the reserves or in front of a draft board deferment review. They're playboys.
It was a cakewalk. Daddy paid the tuition, and they spent their time chatting up the Nancy's and snorting coke. Then they get the parchment the Skull and Bones ring, and a job with Daddy.
Then get elected President of the United States and spend 42% of their time AWOL in Crawford during the greatest crisis in US history since the Great Depression.

There's an interesting Findlaw transcript of the consulting agreement between Enron and Urquhart, granting him $4,410 A DAY, plus 21,000 "Phantom" shares of stock for his "services".

$4,410 A DAY! These rich f&*ks don't do military service or attend Harvard business classes or work, not in the colloquial sense of the word. They waltz through life on a highway of gold.

Ken Lay is *still* on the lam, free as a jaybird!

I read through that site, and all of the information it had available, and I simply do not see how this can be read any other way than the site author does. It needs remembering that this was also during his father's time as RNC chair during a Republican Administration. So this was in regards to not merely a Congressman's son, but one of the most powerful Congressmen of the time and of the same political party as the President. As I write this, I also note that no one has provided an alternate explanation for Brad, the closest being Patrick's comment regarding when the draft ended. Somehow I think this is a noose getting ever tighter around GWB's neck.

It would not matter if he hadn't tried to cover up what reality was with a whitewashed lily pure military service. Given he was able to get away with his "indescretions" prior to finding God at 40, if he had simply included this period of his life in that blanket mea culpa, it would not have the power to hurt him. As is always the case in these things, it is not the actual actions that get you, it is the coverup afterwards when one tries to rewrite history, especially when that rewrite is intended to create a more positive version, whatever it may be. After all, it is the fact that one is demonstrating a need to cover somethig up, or to beautify something up, that leads people to believe that there is something less than honest about the person doing so. Given how much GWB has placed his integrity, honesty, and moral code as central to his basis for being someone that Americans should elect/re-elect as Pesident, he and his advisors must be terrified of being proven to be lying full scale on this matter, especially from a "war President" that makes such a big deal about his own "honourable" service in uniform, and without as President.

Not to mention how Americans feel generally about those that lie about military service specifically.

Patrick,
You're going to need to be a little more specific re: Kerry's enlistment contract. That's news to me.

And really, comparing Bush and Kerry's military records is a losing endeavor for Bush-backers. I'm constantly amazed that they keep trying, though.

"A document showing that on March 7, 1974--while George W. Bush was taking classes at Harvard Business School--his specialty code was changed from F-102 Pilot (1125D) to Executive Support Officer (7021) by..."

There is something in this statement that must also be taken into account. Because the F-102 went out of the Air National Guard inventory somewhere around 1972, so too did the specialty code for F-102 Pilot. This happens all the time in the military - both active and reserve. It happened to me once.

When this does occur, the Admin types will switch a person's MOS or specialty code to one that describes the present skills of that person. However, in aviation one only gets the MOS/specialty code when one has qualified in a new aircraft. But George Bush never took any so-call conversation training into a new aircraft (in the Texas Air National Guard at that time that would have been the F-4).

So in 1974, changing Bush from the F-102 Pilot specialty code to something else would have be rather unremarkable from the point of view of the Admin people because that specialty code was no longer valid. Executive Support Office sounds like a specialty code that any officer would qualify for by virtue of being an officer. So, the Admin types probably did just that to make Bush's personnel records accurate wrt the present (1974) specialty codes. That's my guess any way.

"Btw, John Kerry didn't meet the terms of his enlistment contract. And that was BEFORE the end of the war was even in sight."

Just keep in mind the big picture - Kerry was a war hero while Bush refused to take a physical (after they started drug testing) and refused to complete his service. Smears and lies like the Republicans are spreading about Kerry aren't going to change that.

And then there is the view ( bakho among others) that the Republicans are hoping ( praying mightily) that the military records issue gains attention to keep the real issue, a decaying economy, off the table.

This issue comes down to MANDATORY DRUG TESTING
as part of the Flight Physical initiated in the year in question. W could'nt pass a drug test
then.

Fair enough. But what, then, would the technical term be for evading your flight physical and not keeping in contact with your superior officers? What would be the penalty for this in a usual case? Frankly, I don't have any idea, but I can't imagine it was proper conduct.

I have two friends who were Naval Nuclear personnel. They both got out early.

One had spent six months processing discharge papers, and got himself into OCS, and then resigned when he was in a 3 day window where he could.

He got an Honorable discharge.

The other one just stopped showing up to work.

He got an OTH (Other Than Honorable).

This issue comes down to MANDATORY DRUG TESTING as part of the Flight Physical initiated in the year in question. W couldn't pass a drug test then.

I just saw F911. It showed the removal from flying status for Bath and Bush.

Bath was a Major. I'm beginning to think that it was something bigger. Majors don't just walk away.

I'm beginning to wonder if Bush and Bath were caught in bed together.

Mathew shudders to think that the new? Air Force policy might be 'Homo No Mo'. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

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