August 03, 2004

Clifford Pickover's ESP "Experiment" Revisited

The now Eleven-Year-Old is revisiting Clifford Pickover's ESP "Experiment" site, and is depressed about the general state of human intelligence...

We went and saw this before:

Cognitive Biases: Archive Entry From Brad DeLong's Webjournal: Clifford Pickover's ESP "Experiment". The Nine-Year-Old saw the trick on her second run through the "experiment"--doing much, much better than me.

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... depressed about the general state of human intelligence ...
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What intelligent person wouldn't be?

"The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter."
-- Winston Churchill

But it's all we've got, so we might as well try to make the most of it.

Posted by: Jim Glass on August 3, 2004 01:40 PM

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... depressed about the general state of human intelligence ...
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What intelligent person wouldn't be?

"The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter."
-- Winston Churchill

But it's all we've got, so we might as well try to make the most of it.

Posted by: Jim Glass on August 3, 2004 01:45 PM

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Took me about five minutes. Guess I can forget about that career as card-counter in Vegas...

Posted by: bling on August 3, 2004 01:47 PM

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I don't know whether this is as damning as it appears. There are a lot of ESP websites that don't cheat, but which use knowledge of human bias (such as that people usually choose "C" on a multiple-choice question) to get better than statistical accuracy. It's natural to assume that this is another such website. So I can easily understand how people might not look for cheating, given the starting assumption that it's a website that works based on knowledge of human bias. Also, the type of cheating the website uses is hard to catch unless you have a really good memory or use the back-button in your browser (which is what I did), it's not the kind of cheating that jumps out at you, so if you weren't looking for it, I can easily understand why you wouldn't see it.


Posted by: Josh Yelon on August 3, 2004 01:48 PM

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This is the oldest trick in the book. I don't get why this is somehow indicative of poor human intellect. We scan our field of vision for the important details. We ignore the rest. Most people simply assume that the cards that are not remembered are the same.

We don't store visual information as a computer does. We don't scan it systematically. We actually see very little. Our brain fills in the rest of the details with what it thinks should be there.

Posted by: Scott Fanetti on August 3, 2004 01:52 PM

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This is the oldest trick in the book. I don't get why this is somehow indicative of poor human intellect. We scan our field of vision for the important details. We ignore the rest. Most people simply assume that the cards that are not remembered are the same.

We don't store visual information as a computer does. We don't scan it systematically. We actually see very little. Our brain fills in the rest of the details with what it thinks should be there.

Posted by: Scott Fanetti on August 3, 2004 01:54 PM

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This is the oldest trick in the book. I don't get why this is somehow indicative of poor human intellect. We scan our field of vision for the important details. We ignore the rest. Most people simply assume that the cards that are not remembered are the same.

We don't store visual information as a computer does. We don't scan it systematically. We actually see very little. Our brain fills in the rest of the details with what it thinks should be there.

Posted by: Scott Fanetti on August 3, 2004 01:54 PM

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No card on the first page appears on the second page.

Posted by: djs on August 3, 2004 01:56 PM

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This is the oldest trick in the book. I don't get why this is somehow indicative of poor human intellect. We scan our field of vision for the important details. We ignore the rest. Most people simply assume that the cards that are not remembered are the same.

We don't store visual information as a computer does. We don't scan it systematically. We actually see very little. Our brain fills in the rest of the details with what it thinks should be there.

Posted by: Scott Fanetti on August 3, 2004 01:56 PM

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The website is why I do fairly well at cards. But then if you get it then you don't really have to worry about esp- just pt barnum. I love the common folks, they let me live an above average lifestyle from some of their follies. But there are always smarter folks further up the foodchain. Tell your darling 11 year old that people get what they deserve- not what they want.

Posted by: AllenM on August 3, 2004 01:58 PM

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I think Pickover would be an excellent choice for the new Intelligence Czar.

Posted by: Kaus Hackula on August 3, 2004 02:41 PM

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I had to go back and forth about a dozen times to get the trick. It's pretty cool, actually.

The nine year old is some kind of swift--I will try it on my 14 year olds tonight.

Posted by: Richard Green on August 3, 2004 02:44 PM

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I like Cliff Pickover, but The Mysterious Rabbit has been online since at least 1996, which is when I stumped (nearly) my entire office with it.

Posted by: JoXn Costello on August 3, 2004 03:25 PM

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The trick would be far more impressive if the cards weren't computer generated and the selection actually limited to six cards. There are nightclub acts that would blow this joker away. Very cheap.

Posted by: Donny on August 3, 2004 03:30 PM

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New experiment: which one of Scott Fanetti's redundant posts did Brad delete? ;-)

Posted by: NTodd on August 3, 2004 04:33 PM

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"The now Eleven-Year-Old is revisiting Clifford Pickover's ESP "Experiment" site, and is depressed about the general state of human intelligence..."

This is due to the indisputable fact that your 11-year old is a genius of world shaking proportions. You must be very proud.

Gosh - I wish I wuz cleverer (see what I mean!!???!!)

Posted by: Tenuous Leemployed on August 3, 2004 05:23 PM

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I don't think this is a good test for intelligence.

I figured it out as soon as I read the words "I removed your card" and saw the set of replacements. I only had to use the back button for confirmation.

And I am not a very smart person. I am an idiot. Lots of people are always telling me that, so it must be true.

Posted by: s9 on August 3, 2004 05:38 PM

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It is rather depressing to read the comments of the many, many visitors to Pickover's site who actually believe he may be reading their minds via some ethereal connection through their computers. I'd say it is an indication that way too many people have trouble getting their intelligence in gear and figuring out a relatively simple gimmick. Sure, it can fool a person a time or two, but once you start looking for the trick it should not be rocket science to see what's happening. Did you see the comment by the couple who tried the "experiment" together and were stunned when both of the cards they chose were gone on the second screen. They were one small step away from realizing that all the cards go away and are replaced by different cards (all face cards to make the resemblance more compelling).

Of course, this just proves that some people are slow, and I guess we already knew that.

Posted by: TonyB on August 3, 2004 05:44 PM

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I think most of the commenters on that site are just playing along with the joke. Some of them are clearly not serious.

Posted by: Xavier on August 3, 2004 06:02 PM

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If it would cheer him/her up, you could explain selection effects, and how his/her depression is an invalid inference from a biased data source.

:-]

Posted by: colin roald on August 3, 2004 06:02 PM

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I was stumped for several tries but it took my 21-year-old son one try. These youngsters!

Posted by: DSchultz on August 3, 2004 06:42 PM

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People want to believe. People take a confirmed prediction (no matter how weak) as (fairly firm) evidence for the phenomenon in question.

Hey, do you think someday the eleven-year-old or the thirteen(still?)-year-old would be willing to guest blog for you? I'd be interested to hear their take on the world - for example, a post giving advice to adults on how to interact with eleven and thirteen year olds...I expect "so, what are you going to do when you grow up" gets pretty old.

Posted by: Anna on August 3, 2004 07:04 PM

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Also - with respect to this -
"The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter."

I had coworkers who were singing this tune a few years ago, with respect to certain Florida residents who, in their view, were perhaps not sufficiently politically astute to have their votes be worth counting. With the passage of time, it has become clear that said FLA residents had a much better grasp of political reality than the coworkers.

Posted by: Anna on August 3, 2004 07:13 PM

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Hey, folks, it's a JOKE.

Posted by: ej on August 3, 2004 09:45 PM

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It is the 'explanations' on the site that are truly scary. A few are clearly intended ironically (the Cthulu one, say) but most seem both genuine and genuinely idiotic.

Posted by: belle on August 4, 2004 12:04 AM

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It took me 2 turns to figure out. So I am feeling good about myself. The explanations page is a complete riot. "You were wrong, once." is my favorite.

Reminds me of the phrase 'The problem with democracy, is everybody can vote'

Posted by: S0C7 on August 4, 2004 06:46 AM

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djs: you're not playing by the rules - no fair !

Posted by: boonie on August 4, 2004 09:12 AM

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