Ken Rogoff says that those who think that destroying the IMF will improve the lot of developing countries are making as much sense as those who think that getting rid of fire departments will reduce the number of fires.
In the three crises in the past decade that I have watched closely as they developed, the lesson I took away was that one big problem was that the IMF (and the U.S. Treasury) were too deferential to borrowing-country governments. The IMF should have made it very clear to the Argentinian government in the late 1990s that it needed to either (a) balance the government budget, or (b) abandon its currency-board hard peg of its currency to the dollar--and should have insisted that not a penny of support could be provided until the Argentinian government figured out which alternative it was going to follow and started to follow it. In Thailand in 1997 the IMF's warnings about the unsustainability of then-current policies should have been larger and much more shrill. And in Mexico in 1994 the U.S. Treasury should not have allowed itself to be soothed by Mexican government promises that the boom in money and credit growth was politically necessary but transitory and would be rapidly reversed after the election. If there is a single lesson, it is that the room for maneuver is small: the Gods of Monetarism are extremely swift to punish divergences from their commandments.
Foreign Policy -- The IMF Strikes Back: ...Critics must understand that governments from developing countries don’t seek IMF financial assistance when the sun is shining; they come when they have already run into deep financial difficulties, generally through some combination of bad management and bad luck. Virtually every country with an IMF program over the past 50 years, from Peru in 1954 to South Korea in 1997 to Argentina today, could be described in this fashion.
Policymakers in distressed economies know the fund will intervene where no private creditor dares tread and will make loans at rates their countries could only dream of even in the best of times. They understand that, in the short term, IMF loans allow a distressed debtor nation to tighten its belt less than it would have to otherwise. The economic policy conditions that the fund attaches to its loans are in lieu of the stricter discipline that market forces would impose in the IMF’s absence. Both South Korea and Thailand, for example, were facing either outright default or a prolonged free fall in the value of their currencies in 1997—a far more damaging outcome than what actually took place.
The IMF Strikes Back
| Slammed by antiglobalist protesters, developing-country politicians, and Nobel Prize–winning economists, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) has become Global Scapegoat Number One. But IMF economists are not evil, nor are they invariably wrong. It’s time to set the record straight and focus on more pressing economic debates, such as how best to promote global growth and financial stability. |
Vitriol against the IMF, including personal attacks on the competence and integrity of its staff, has transcended into an art form in recent years. One bestselling author labels all new fund recruits as “third-rate,” implies that management is on the take, and discusses the IMF’s role in the Asian financial crisis of the late 1990s in the same breath as Nazi Germany and the Holocaust. Even more sober and balanced critics of the institution—such as Washington Post writer Paul Blustein, whose excellent inside account of the Asian financial crisis, The Chastening, should be required reading for prospective fund economists (and their spouses)—find themselves choosing titles that invoke the devil. Really, doesn’t The Chastening sound like a sequel to 1970s horror flicks such as The Exorcist or The Omen? Perhaps this race to the bottom is a natural outcome of market forces. After all, in a world of 24-hour business news, there is a huge return to being introduced as “the leading critic of the IMF.”
Regrettably, many of the charges frequently leveled against the fund
reveal deep confusion regarding its policies and intentions. Other criticisms,
however, do hit at potentially fundamental weak spots in current IMF practices.
Unfortunately, all the recrimination and finger pointing make it difficult
to separate spurious critiques from legitimate concerns. Worse yet, some
of the deeper questions that ought to be at the heart of these debates—issues
such as poverty, appropriate exchange-rate systems, and whether the global
financial system encourages developing countries to take on excessive
debt—are too easily ignored.
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Consider the four most common criticisms against the fund: First, IMF loan programs impose harsh fiscal austerity on cash-strapped countries. Second, IMF loans encourage financiers to invest recklessly, confident the fund will bail them out (the so-called moral hazard problem). Third, IMF advice to countries suffering debt or currency crises only aggravates economic conditions. And fourth, the fund has irresponsibly pushed countries to open themselves up to volatile and destabilizing flows of foreign capital.
Some of these charges have important merits, even if critics (including myself in my former life as an academic economist) tend to overstate them for emphasis. Others, however, are both polemic and deeply misguided. In addressing them, I hope to clear the air for a more focused and cogent discussion on how the IMF and others can work to improve conditions in the global economy. Surely that should be our common goal.
The Austerity Myth
Over the years, no critique of the fund has carried more emotion than
the “austerity” charge. Anti-fund diatribes contend that,
everywhere the IMF goes, the tight macroeconomic policies it imposes on
governments invariably crush the hopes and aspirations of people. (I hesitate
to single out individual quotes, but they could easily fill an entire
edition of Bartlett’s Quotations.) Yet, at the risk of
seeming heretical, I submit that the reality is nearly the opposite. As
a rule, fund programs lighten austerity rather than create it. Yes, really.
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Critics must understand that governments from developing countries don’t seek IMF financial assistance when the sun is shining; they come when they have already run into deep financial difficulties, generally through some combination of bad management and bad luck. Virtually every country with an IMF program over the past 50 years, from Peru in 1954 to South Korea in 1997 to Argentina today, could be described in this fashion.
Policymakers in distressed economies know the fund will intervene where no private creditor dares tread and will make loans at rates their countries could only dream of even in the best of times. They understand that, in the short term, IMF loans allow a distressed debtor nation to tighten its belt less than it would have to otherwise. The economic policy conditions that the fund attaches to its loans are in lieu of the stricter discipline that market forces would impose in the IMF’s absence. Both South Korea and Thailand, for example, were facing either outright default or a prolonged free fall in the value of their currencies in 1997—a far more damaging outcome than what actually took place.
Nevertheless, the institution provides a convenient whipping boy when
politicians confront their populations with a less profligate budget.
“The IMF forced us to do it!” is the familiar refrain when
governments cut spending and subsidies. Never mind that the country’s
government—whose macroeconomic mismanagement often had more than
a little to do with the crisis in the first place—generally retains
considerable discretion over its range of policy options, not least in
determining where budget cuts must take place.
At its heart, the austerity critique confuses correlation with causation.
Blaming the IMF for the reality that every country must confront its budget
constraints is like blaming the fund for gravity.
Admittedly, the IMF does insist on being repaid, so eventually borrowing countries must part with foreign exchange resources that otherwise might have gone into domestic programs. Yet repayments to the fund normally spike only after the crisis has passed, making payments more manageable for borrowing governments. The IMF’s shareholders—its 184 member countries—could collectively decide to convert all the fund’s loans to grants, and then recipient countries would face no costs at all. However, if IMF loans are never repaid, industrialized countries must be willing to replenish continually the organization’s lending resources, or eventually no funds would be available to help deal with the next debt crisis in the developing world.
A Hazardous Critique
Of course, in so many IMF programs, borrowing countries must pay back
their private creditors in addition to repaying the fund. Yet wouldn’t
fiscal austerity be a bit more palatable if troubled debtor nations could
compel foreign private lenders to bear part of the burden? Why should
taxpayers in developing countries absorb the entire blow?
That is a completely legitimate question, but let’s start by getting a few facts straight. First, private investors can hardly breathe a sigh of relief when the fund becomes involved in an emerging-market financial crisis. According to the Institute of International Finance, private investors lost some $225 billion during the Asian financial crisis of the late 1990s and some $100 billion as a result of the 1998 Russian debt default. And what of the Latin American debt crisis of the 1980s, during which the IMF helped jawbone foreign banks into rolling over a substantial fraction of Latin American debts for almost five years and ultimately forced banks to accept large write-downs of 30 percent or more? Certainly, if foreign private lenders consistently lose money on loans to developing countries, flows of new money will cease. Indeed, flows into much of Latin America—again the current locus of debt problems—have been sharply down during the past couple of years.
Private creditors ought to be willing to take large write-downs of their debts in some instances, particularly when a country is so deeply in hock that it is effectively insolvent. In such circumstances, trying to force the debtor to repay in full can often be counterproductive. Not only do citizens of the debtor country suffer, but creditors often receive less than they might have if they had lessened the country’s debt burden and thus given the nation the will and means to increase investment and growth. Sometimes debt restructuring does happen, as in Ecuador (1999), Pakistan (1999), and Ukraine (2000). However, such cases are the exception rather than the rule, as current international law makes bankruptcies by sovereign states extraordinarily messy and chaotic. As a result, the official lending community, typically led by the IMF, is often unwilling to force the issue and sometimes finds itself trying to keep a country afloat far beyond the point of no return. In Russia in 1998, for example, the official community threw money behind a fixed exchange-rate regime that was patently doomed. Eventually, the fund cut the cord and allowed a default, proving wrong those many private investors who thought Russia was “too nuclear to fail.” But if the fund had allowed the default to take place at an earlier stage, Russia might well have come out of its subsequent downturn at least as quickly and with less official debt.
Since restructuring of debt to private creditors is relatively rare, many critics reasonably worry that IMF financing often serves as a blanket insurance policy for private lenders. Moreover, when private creditors believe they will be bailed out by the IMF, they have reason to lend more—and at lower interest rates—than is appropriate. The debtor country, in turn, is seduced into borrowing too much, resulting in more frequent and severe crises, of exactly the sort the IMF was designed to alleviate. I will be the first to admit the “moral hazard” theory of IMF lending is clever (having introduced the theory in the 1980s), and I think it is surely important in some instances. But the empirical evidence is mixed. One strike against the moral hazard argument is that most countries generally do repay the IMF, if not on time, then late but with full interest. If the IMF is consistently paid, then private lenders receive no subsidy, so there is no bailout in any simplistic sense. Of course, despite the IMF’s strong repayment record in major emerging-market loan packages, there is no guarantee about the future, and it would certainly be wrong to dismiss moral hazard as unimportant.
Fiscal Follies
Even if IMF policies are not to blame for budget cutbacks in poor economies,
might the fund’s programs still be so poorly designed that their
ill-advised conditions more than cancel out any good the international
lender’s resources could bring? In particular, critics charge that
the IMF pushes countries to increase domestic interest rates when cuts
would better serve to stimulate the economy. The IMF also stands accused
of forcing crisis economies to tighten their budgets in the midst of recessions.
Like the austerity argument, these critiques of basic IMF policy advice
appear rather damning, especially when wrapped in rhetoric about how all
economists at the IMF are third-rate thinkers so immune from outside advice
that they wouldn’t listen if John Maynard Keynes himself dialed
them up from heaven.
Of course, it would be wonderful if governments in emerging markets could follow Keynesian “countercyclical policies”—that is, if they could stimulate their economies with lower interest rates, new public spending, or tax cuts during a recession. In its September 2002 “World Economic Outlook” report, the IMF encourages exactly such policies where feasible. (For example, the IMF has strongly urged Germany to be flexible in observing the budget constraints of the European Stability and Growth Pact, lest the government aggravate Germany’s already severe economic slowdown.) Unfortunately, most emerging markets have an extremely difficult time borrowing during a downturn, and they often must tighten their belts precisely when a looser fiscal policy might otherwise be desirable. And the IMF, or anyone else for that matter, can only do so much for countries that don’t pay attention to the commonsense advice of building up surpluses during boom times—such as Argentina in the 1990s—to leave room for deficits during downturns.
According to some critics, though, a simple solution is staring the IMF
in the face: If those stubborn fund economists would only appreciate how
successful expansionary fiscal policy can be in boosting output, they
would realize countries can simply wave off a debt crisis by borrowing
even more. Remember former U.S. President Ronald Reagan’s economic
guru, Arthur Laffer, who theorized that by cutting tax rates, the United
States would enjoy so much extra growth that tax revenues would actually
rise? In much the same way, some IMF critics—ranging from Nobel
Prize–winning economist Joseph Stiglitz to the relief agency Oxfam—claim
that by running a fiscal deficit into a debt storm, a country can grow
so much that it will be able to sustain those higher debt levels. Creditors
would understand this logic and happily fork over the requisite extra
funds. Problem solved, case closed. Indeed, why should austerity ever
be necessary?
Needless to say, Reagan’s tax cuts during the 1980s did not lead
to higher tax revenues but instead resulted in massive deficits. By the
same token, there is no magic potion for troubled debtor countries. Lenders
simply will not buy into this story.
The notion that countries should reduce interest rates—rather than raise them—to fend off debt and exchange-rate crises is even more absurd. When investors fear a country is increasingly likely to default on its debts, they will demand higher interest rates to compensate for that risk, not lower ones. And when a nation’s citizens lose confidence in their own currency, they will require a large premium to accept debt denominated in that currency or to keep their deposits in domestic banks. No surprise that interest rates in virtually all countries that experienced debt crises during the last decade—from Mexico to Turkey—skyrocketed even though their currencies were allowed to float against the dollar.
The debate over how far interest rates should be allowed to rise in defending against a speculative currency attack is a legitimate one. The higher interest rates go, the more stress on the economy and the more bankruptcies and bank failures; classic cases include Mexico in 1995 and South Korea in 1998. On the other hand, since most crisis countries have substantial “liability dollarization”—that is, a lot of borrowing goes on in dollars—an excessively sharp fall in the exchange rate will also cause bankruptcies, with Indonesia in 1998 being but one example among many. Governments must strike a delicate balance in the short and medium term, as they decide how quickly to reduce interest rates from crisis levels. At the very least, critics of IMF tactics must acknowledge these difficult trade-offs. The simplistic view that all can be solved by just adopting softer “employment friendly” policies, such as low interest rates and fiscal expansions, is dangerous as well as naive in the face of financial maelstrom.
Capital Control Freaks
Although currency crises and financial bailouts dominate media coverage
of the IMF, much of the agency’s routine work entails ongoing dialogue
with the fund’s 184 member countries. As part of the fund’s
surveillance efforts, IMF staffers regularly visit member states and meet
with policymakers to discuss how best to achieve sustained economic growth
and stable inflation rates. So, rather than judge the fund solely on how
it copes with financial crises, critics should consider its ongoing advice
in trying to help countries stay out of trouble. In this area, perhaps
the most controversial issue is the fund’s advice on liberalizing
international capital movements—that is, on how fast emerging markets
should pry open their often highly protected domestic financial markets.
Critics such as Columbia University economist Jagdish Bhagwati have suggested that the IMF’s zeal in promoting free capital flows around the world inadvertently planted the seeds of the Asian financial crisis. In principle, had banks and companies in Asia’s emerging markets not been allowed to borrow freely in foreign currency, they would not have built up huge foreign currency debts, and international creditors could not have demanded repayment just as liquidity was drying up and foreign currency was becoming very expensive. Although I was not at the IMF during the Asian crisis, my sense from reading archives and speaking with fund old-timers is that although this charge has some currency, the fund was more eclectic in its advice on this matter than most critics acknowledge. For example, in the months leading to Thailand’s currency collapse in 1997, IMF reports on the Thai economy portrayed in stark terms the risks of liberalizing capital flows while keeping the domestic currency (the baht) at a fixed level against the U.S. dollar. As Blustein vividly portrays in The Chastening, Thai authorities didn’t listen, still hoping instead that Bangkok would become a financial center like Singapore. Ultimately, the Thai baht succumbed to a massive speculative attack. Of course, in some cases—most famously South Korea and Mexico—the fund didn’t warn countries forcefully enough about the dangers of opening up to international capital markets before domestic financial markets and regulators were prepared to handle the resulting volatility.
However one apportions blame for the financial crises of the past two decades, misconceptions regarding the merits and drawbacks of capital-market liberalization abound. First, it is simply wrong to conclude that countries with closed capital markets are better equipped to weather stormy financial markets. Yes, the relatively closed Chinese and Indian economies did not catch the Asian flu, or at least not a particularly bad case. But neither did Australia nor New Zealand, two countries that boast extremely open capital markets. Why? Because the latter countries’ highly developed domestic financial markets were extremely well regulated. The biggest danger lurks in the middle, namely for those economies—many of which are in East Asia and Latin America—that combine weak and underdeveloped financial markets with poor regulation.
Moreover, a country needs export earnings to support foreign debt payments, and export industries do not spring up overnight. That’s why the risks of running into external financing problems are higher for countries that fully liberalize their capital markets before significantly opening up to trade flows. Indeed, economies with small trading sectors can run into problems even with seemingly modest debt levels. This problem has repeatedly plagued countries in Latin America, where trade is relatively restricted by a combination of inward-looking policies and remote location.
Perhaps the best evidence in favor of open capital markets is that, despite the international financial turmoil of the last decade, most developing countries still aim to liberalize their capital markets as a long-term goal. Surprisingly few nations have turned back the clock on financial and capital-account liberalization. As domestic economies grow increasingly sophisticated, particularly regarding the depth and breadth of their financial instruments, policymakers are relentlessly seeking ways to live with open capital markets. The lessons from Europe’s failed, heavy-handed attempts to regulate international capital flows in the 1970s and 1980s seem to have been increasingly absorbed in the developing world today.
Even China, long the high-growth poster child for capital-control enthusiasts,
now views increased openness to capital markets as a central long-term
goal. Its economic leaders understand that it’s one thing to become
a $1,000 per capita economy, as China is today. But to continue such stellar
growth performance—and one day to reach the $20,000 to $40,000 per
capita incomes of the industrialized countries—China will eventually
require a world-class capital market.
Even though a continued move toward greater capital mobility is emerging
as a global norm, absolute unfettered global capital mobility is not necessarily
the best long-term outcome. Temporary controls on capital outflows may
be important in dealing with some modern-day financial crises, while various
kinds of light-handed taxes on capital inflows may be useful for countries
faced with sudden surges of inflows. Chile is the classic example of a
country that appears to have successfully used market-friendly taxes on
capital inflows, though a debate continues to rage over their effectiveness.
One way or another, the international community must find ways to temper
debt flows and at the same time encourage equity investment and foreign
direct investment, such as physical investment in plants and equipment.
In industrialized countries, the pain of a 20 percent stock market fall
is shared automatically and fairly broadly throughout the economy. But
in nations that rely on foreign debt, a sudden change in investor sentiment
can breed disaster.
Nevertheless, financial authorities in developing economies should remain wary of capital controls as an easy solution. “Temporary” controls can easily become ensconced, as political forces and budget pressures make them hard to remove. Invite capital controls for lunch, and they will try to stay for dinner.
Striking a Global Bargain
Should the international community just give up on global capital mobility
and encourage countries to shut their doors? Looking further ahead in
the 21st century, does the world really want to adopt greater financial
isolationism?
Perhaps the greatest challenge facing industrialized countries in this
century is how to deal with the aging bulge in their populations. With
that in mind, wouldn’t it be more helpful if rich countries could
find effective ways to invest in much younger developing nations, and
later use the proceeds to support their own increasing number of retirees?
And let’s face it, the world’s developing countries need funds
for investment and education now, so such a trade would prove mutually
beneficial—a win-win. Yes, recurring debt crises in the developing
world have been sobering, but the potential benefits to financial integration
are enormous. Full-scale retreat is hardly the answer.
Can the IMF help? Certainly. The fund provides a key forum for exchange
of ideas and best practices. Yes, one could go ahead and eliminate the
IMF, as some of the more extreme detractors wish, but that is not going
to solve any fundamental problems. This increasingly globalized world
will still need a global economic forum. Even today, the IMF is providing
such a forum for discussion and debate over a new international bankruptcy
procedure that could lessen the chaos that results when debtor countries
become insolvent.
And there are many other issues where the IMF, or some similar multilateral
organization, seems essential to any solution. For example, the current
patchwork system of exchange rates seems too unstable to survive into
the 22nd century. How will the world make the transition toward a more
stable, coherent system? That is a global problem, and dealing with it
requires a global perspective the IMF can help provide.
And what of poverty? Here, the IMF’s sister organization, the World
Bank, with its microeconomic and social focus and commensurately much
larger staff, is appropriately charged with the lead role. But poor countries
in the developing world still face important macroeconomic challenges.
For example, if enhanced aid flows ever materialize, policymakers in emerging
markets will still need to find ways to ensure that domestic production
grows and thrives. Perhaps poor nations won’t need the IMF’s
specific macroeconomic expertise—but they will need something awfully
similar.
Kenneth Rogoff
is economic counsellor and director of the research department at the
International Monetary Fund.
Couldn't one have said the same thing about bank failures before Federal Loan guarantees? That is, looking at a succession of bank failures duing the Depression, and the failure of the Fed to stop them, wouldn't it be tempting to say "The Fed should have gotten tougher on these failing banks. The Gods of sound money cannot be mocked. . .etc. etc.". In hindsight, we know, the solution was not to be tougher but to be gentler.
Wasn't the real lesson of Mexico, Thailand, Argentina, etc. that a regime of fixed exchange-rates, freely convertible currencies, and no lender of last resort, is a really, really bad idea?
For sufficiently large countries I think the clear lesson is to float, float, float.
For small countries, either float or have some sort of capital controls.
For *really* small countries, adopt the currency of some larger, hopefully credible, country, along with an understanding from that larger country that you can access its "lender of last resort" institutions if necessary. The Argentinians did not have such an understanding with the US, and this is why they got screwed, in terms of monetary policy.
Of course the best monetary policy in the world cannot rescue you from a badly run, rent-seeking, inefficient, ineqitable, real economy. But that's another story.
Posted by: roublen vesseau on January 9, 2003 10:27 PMSome thoughts
>>Both South Korea and Thailand, for example, were facing either outright default or a prolonged free fall in the value of their currencies in 1997—a far more damaging outcome than what actually took place. <<
As far as I can tell, this is an outright false statement about South Korea. The country was not facing "outright default", and indeed, the sovereign came nowhere near to default. The only problems in SK were a direct results of the "prolonged free fall in the value of currency", which itself came about as the direct result of the IMF's lily-livered behaviour with respect to Thailand. South Korea was not in "bad financial difficulties", either, other than those directly caused by a crisis that the IMF should have stopped.
Rogoff's response to the austerity critique is also disingenuousness. The critique of IMF programs based on needless austerity is mainly to do with the IMF's requirements in *non-crisis* situations; that it always recommends the dismantling of state operations and privatisation of essential services, seemingly for ideological reasons. The case of Argentina demonstrates that the IMF actually sets *more* store in privatisation for privatisation's sake than it does in sound macro policies.
>>In much the same way, some IMF critics—ranging from Nobel Prize–winning economist Joseph Stiglitz to the relief agency Oxfam—claim that by running a fiscal deficit into a debt storm, a country can grow so much that it will be able to sustain those higher debt levels<<
This is a stupid caricature of Stiglitz' view and the comparison to the Laffer curve is part of the reason why nobody takes Rogoff seriously any more. Stiglitz simply pointed out that the IMF is entirely in thrall to short-term market sentiment at precisely those points in time when short term market sentiment is least likely to be a conduit of useful information (panics), and the substance of Rogoff's actual argument here seems to indicate that Stiglitz is right.
Rogoff's statements about the effect of Asian flu on the Australian economy are not ones which would be recognised by many Australians.
The word "Malaysia" is entirely missing from Rogoff's discussion of capital market liberalisation.
dsq,
would you care to post your detailed expositionof Malaysia? I am curious to learn what happened there and why that so seriously undermines Rogoff's argument...
Posted by: Suresh on January 10, 2003 05:29 AMWell, it's just that, in 1998, Malaysia imposed capital controls. The IMF threw an absolute fit and predicted all kinds of hellfire and damnation. But in fact, the Malaysians came through the crisis very well indeed, and did so *because* of their capital controls. Rogoff completely ignores this real world example while choosing to make a few waffly in-principle points.
For the really interested, Krugman has a couple of good essays about capital controls (and a really bad one about the specific case of Malaysia) on his website.
Posted by: dsquared on January 10, 2003 07:27 AMAside from the goodness or badness of the IMF, the Fire Department metaphor is a very poor one for them I think.
But, in any case, the "if only they'd done what they'd tell us to do" defense gets tiresome.
Wow, that came out wrong.
that should have been "If only they'd done what we'd told them to do.."
Posted by: Atrios on January 10, 2003 08:45 AMI always thought the most interesting, but almost never discussed, facet of the 1997/1998 crisis was the relatively muted level of capital withdrawals from Japanese when compared with American and European banks.
"The BIS data indicate that Japanese banks accounted for about half of the banking sector outflows from Indonesia during 1997 and the first half of 1998, one third of outflows from Thailand, and one quarter of outflows from South Korea. Those amounts were significantly less than commensurate with their shares in credit exposure to those countries among foreign banks, suggesting that in the initial stage of the crisis U.S. and European banks withdrew proportionately larger amounts of credit from those three countries." (Kawai, Ozeki and Tokumaru, "Banking on East Asia", 2002)
I'm not entirely sure why this is the case (does anyone here know?) -- but given them it seems problematic to accept Rogoff's implicit claim that the risks of it creating moral hazard problems outweigh the potential benefits the IMF offers as a lender of last resort.
This is only true in part: "Couldn't one have said the same thing about bank failures before Federal Loan guarantees? That is, looking at a succession of bank failures duing the Depression, and the failure of the Fed to stop them, wouldn't it be tempting to say "The Fed should have gotten tougher on these failing banks. The Gods of sound money cannot be mocked. . .etc. etc.". In hindsight, we know, the solution was not to be tougher but to be gentler . . . . "
Because under the modern system of bank protection, when a bank fails, the depositors are protected, but the unsecured creditors, stockholders and most importantly the management are generally wiped out almost totally.
The present IMF-rescue system would be better if there were similarly harsh penalties for countries that get in trouble . . . . .
Posted by: on January 10, 2003 09:23 AM>The present IMF-rescue system would be better if
>there were similarly harsh penalties for
>countries that get in trouble
I have a hard time understanding the value system of someone who looks at, say, Argentina today, and concludes the penalties it has suffered are insufficiently harsh. How high would levels of unemployment and poverty have to go before you found them satisfactory?
Posted by: JW Mason on January 10, 2003 11:30 AM"Stiglitz simply pointed out that the IMF is entirely in thrall to short-term market sentiment at precisely those points in time when short term market sentiment is least likely to be a conduit of useful information (panics), and the substance of Rogoff's actual argument here seems to indicate that Stiglitz is right."
Precisely so....
When justifying harsh IMF penalties for coutries that get in trouble, I suggest we look at the dilemma of indebted southern African countries facing AIDS epidemics of the most profound proportions. We need to help, not penalize.
Posted by: on January 10, 2003 11:53 AMthis isn't the first time that Argentina's had a financial crisis. it isn't even the second or third time.
if a more practical system was in place, it's at least possible that Argentina might have gotten its act together in the 1970s or 1980s when the problems were smaller and more manageable, and thus the misery of the past decade would have been avoided entirely. that's my point.
PS: much of the present crisis was entirely avoidable. except that among other idiocies, the provincial governments in Argentina refused to reduce their bloated and corrupt bureaucracies, and when they ran out of real money to finance themselves with, they reprogrammed their ATM cash machines to spew out worthless provincial currency so they could try to keep going.
Posted by: on January 10, 2003 12:11 PMI won't pretend to understand the IMF but it sure seems the fire department starts most of the fires it tries to put out. Seems like there is a new conspiracy theory invented to explain those fires and no one seems to agree about a theory of fire prevention. Meanwhile the folks living in the places being burned are out in the street wondering how come the fire marshals don't give a damn about them.
Posted by: Bruce Ferguson on January 10, 2003 12:22 PMThe problem for Argentina was adoption of the currency peg and failure to adjust the peg as the dollar strengthened and Argentina began to be priced out of foreign markets. The Argentine economy began to falter as exports were lost. The peso-dollar peg was Wall Street's joy, and Wall Street yowled at the prospect of any adjustment. Paul Krugman wrote of the approaching problem long long before it became a crisis.
Enough of the smug condemnations. Argentina has been one of America's staunchest friends in Latin America as it became increasingly democratic. We had best know who our friends our and treat them appropriately.
Posted by: on January 10, 2003 12:29 PMAs regards Dsquared's issue on S Korea, wasn't that a case of private sector asset/liability mismatching? Short-term dollar obligations matched to long-term won assets? There would then have been the risk of many outright private defaults. As to the risk "an" outright default, which I take to mean sovereign default, total usable reserves fell to $7.2 bln in November of 1997 (according to Bloomberg) vs roughly $28.5 bln a year earlier. The drop was rapid, (mostly from October to November) and stirred up the fear that it would continue. Do I remember this right? -- there was need for a $ bridge loan to end the panic (really fuzzy on the history here, I have to admit)? The current account was in surplus through it all. So odds of a sovereign default were slim, as long as private banks were told to go get dollars elsewhere, but that is where the won trouble comes in. The won cracked through 1000 to the dollar in late November and went to 1800 in pretty short order.
Posted by: K Harris on January 10, 2003 12:32 PMMalaysia used capital controls to successfully ride out the crisis in Asia. Hong Kong successfully bought an index of its stocks to prop up the market. China successfully maintained its currency controls through the Asian crisis. Short term international currency flows can play havoc in a developing or small economy and the IMF may have to bridge over the flows but without adding to the economic damage by merely crying "austerity."
Posted by: on January 10, 2003 12:45 PMStiglitz's real contribution to the IMF debate comes when he writes about the decidedly unsexy topics of capital market liberalization and sequencing. Doing CML before having a sustainable currency system in place in a crisis point has been a huge problem. Anyone who believes that the IMF is really trying, but is only misguided, has missed the essential point of Stiglitz's critique. The function of the IMF has changed from being to lender of last resort to being a loan shark that uses the power of the US Treasury to subvert democracy. The fire department metaphor is very stupid. It would be apt if the IMF were still interested in its founding mission. What is it? It is clearly no longer a lender that can help to stimulate global aggregate demand. It is now an investment protection racket. It must go, to be replaced by a more transparant, more democratic institution.
Posted by: Biz on January 10, 2003 12:46 PMBrad I have to tell you I agree with you almost all the time but your constant defence of the IMF is a little too much. I know your good friend with Summers and many other people at the IMF and all that but still. They have made so many mistakes and blunders its not even funny, and the defences that Rogoff usually writes are bordering on hilariously funny. Comparing Stiglitz to Laffer, give me a break. That is not even what Stiglitz has ever said, and plus that is exactly what the US has always done, spend during bad times run deficits hoping that the money will come back when the economy recovers. You support the same thing, usually. And Argentina did not have any budget deficits until they moved their Social Security system off the budget books and privatized it, and it was done on the advice of all these agencies. Do you know how large the US deficit would be if it removes its Social Security revenues out of the general budget. Huge!!!
Posted by: on January 10, 2003 01:08 PMBrad - Why is it that you pay no attention to the effect of the peso-dollar peg on Argentina when the dollar strengthened after Robert Rubin went to Treasury? How could Argentina have managed to sell goods to Brazil when Brazil had a currency that was becoming cheaper, or Chile, or Spain.... America was not a prime trade partner of Argentina. The peg ended a fierce inflation, butn time it needed adjustment. Why should Argentina have had to sacrifice the domestic economy for the sake of the peg? Wall Street wished for a peg in Brazil, but Brazil would not go along, so Argentina should have adjusted rather than opt for what Paul Krugman thought would be a crippling austerity.
Posted by: on January 10, 2003 01:20 PMWhy not also further address the debt problems and need for assistance in southern Africa? Lesotho, Malawi, Zambia, Namibia. Think of how desperate the need is. Let us use the IMF and World Bank and Global AIDS fund properly, compassionately there and show what more might be done in an crisis that will otherwise haunt our conscience.
Posted by: on January 10, 2003 01:31 PMOn a related point, check out this somewhat snarky exchange between Rogoff and Michael Beenstock in the latest issue of Finance & Development (the Bank-Fund "pop" publication):
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2002/12/letterto.htm
Posted by: Fri afternoon economist on January 10, 2003 01:36 PMhttp://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2002/12/rogoff.htm
check also this article by rogoff. It looks like these days everybody says they have always said there is a place for capital controls in certain situations. Yeah right. Funny we never heard anybody express those opinions during the Asian crisis. Kudos to Krugman though.
Posted by: dan on January 10, 2003 01:57 PMStiglitz knows what it is to struggle to the middle class in "Brazil" and to hold there.
Rogoff gives no sense that a middle class family in "Brazil" is of concern.
Posted by: on January 10, 2003 01:59 PMThis isn't even half the story: "The problem for Argentina was adoption of the currency peg and failure to adjust the peg as the dollar strengthened and Argentina began to be priced out of foreign markets."
It is true that under the Mercosur, the declining Brazilian peso made Brazilian exports into Argentina very cheap and the competition contributed to the Argentine recession. But a complete refusal by the Provincial Governments to deal with endemic corruption and bureaucratic bloat was an even greater problem and the Argentines have no one to blame for that but themselves.
Posted by: on January 10, 2003 02:04 PMFolks. Since exports are so important as a stabilizing device for poorer economies, let us see how we now encourage agricultural exports to America from southern Africa. Let us see how we handle the desperate need for drug imports to southern African countries.
Economic problem for us smart types. What do we need to do to assist Africans in coping with AIDS?
Posted by: on January 11, 2003 10:26 AMThe IMF's problem is their advice is bad. Look at East Timor, just a couple years ago the IMF forced through an income tax on some of the poorest people in the world, a coffee producer tax... over the objections of the people, the UN, and the president... and now they have the NERVE to wonder why there are riots in East Timor today.
The IMF was right about Argentina but had no idea why. The peso deflated because the dollar deflated. The IMF came after Argentina and said what -- devalue, which nobody wants to do anymore because it ruins the lives of your people, for nothing -- or raise taxes and balance the budget. Why didn't the bigwigs at the IMF go to the Fed and get them to stop deflating? IT WOULD HAVE SAVED US ALL FROM THREE YEARS OF THIS FRICKIN BUST. It would have saved lives for God's sake.
Posted by: Eric M on January 11, 2003 08:39 PMBrad,
Rogoff's fire department analogy might be apt if it were the standard practice of fire departments, prior to rescuing a house already on fire, to force owners to commit to using only kerosene-soaked tinder as a building material in any restoration project as a condition of being rescued. To my knowledge, fire departments don't do this (unlike the IMF). Maybe they do things differently in downtown DC than up here in Mt. Pleasant, but I don't think so.
Posted by: Mark Rickling on January 12, 2003 12:04 AMK Harris: Yeh, your analysis of the SK situation seems to cover most of the important facts, but think about the analysis. SK needed a short term bridge loan for private sector entities. What it didn't need was an IMF program. The entire SK problem could have been sorted out just fine without the IMF's involvement.
Posted by: dsquared on January 12, 2003 11:31 PM